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Honestly, I am no longer interested in Apple due to its discontinuance of MacOS updates for older systems. My next purchase will either be a Framework or a Tuxedo.

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Even when macOS is unsupported, Asahi has given the M1 the chance to live for a very long time.

The Asahi developers do great work, but I have heard it is not yet at the quality necessary for daily driving. I might be wrong here, however, and I will give it a try once Apple stops updating my M1.

No, but you have 6 or so years of use before you need to switch to Asahi and maybe it'll be a daily driver by then.

How long should they support an older system?

They just shouldn’t artificially prevent installation of newer software.

They don't have to. I am just not their target demographic. I want my laptops to last 10+ years.

"Lasting" and "supported" are obviously different things. How much support do you get for a laptop from 2013/2014? I guess Linux stuff can still run, but I would imagine for most folks, there's going to be a practical limit re the software they want or need to run still working on hardware that old. Software will still run, but possibly not with newer security patches. And yep, with open source you can patch some of it yourself, but that market seems niche, and yes, that's not going to be Apple for your preferences.

You can keep upgrading Windows indefinitely. You don't have to have TPM to install Windows 11.

People like you and I unfortunately are a minority. For some reason people think that if product lasts for a few years it’s perfectly normal. Laptops should be upgradable and lasting 10-15+ years until software advances to such a degree that hardware can no longer support it.

Wait til this guy figures out that new versions of Android won't install on older systems.

Windows too. I recently had to toss a 10-year-old PC because the recent versions of Windows refused to install on it.

For Mac users who want to run current/recent versions of macOS on old Macs, I've successfully used OpenCore Legacy Patcher to run Sonoma on a 10-year-old Mac mini.

It's not difficult to install Windows 11 on an old machine. There are ways around the installer.

Should have installed Linux on it.

My Guix System runs perfectly fine on my 10 year old MSI. But I guess that doesn't count?

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