> Random polls, be they online or via phone, are basically worthless; you know that as well as I.

This claim is so easy to debunk that I doubt you are arguing in good faith.

"NATO standards" is a meaningless technicality. NATO is more like a political suicide pact. The parade troops are just a side show. There is no public meta-discussion about the issue at all except among greens and socialists.

Try talking to some good friends about the prospect of actually fighting in a war. The difference between the public facade of the elite pretending stuff and my "experienced reality" is psychosis inducing. The cheering in this thread is really suspicious. It's one of those things that only seems to exist on the internets.

I got this feeling that the elite just waited for the right moment to push for joining NATO. They have been wanting this for a long time.