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This just show that the iPad OS is severely under developed.

They got the M* chip but all we can do is just checking emails & watching youtube

Any device you cannot program yourself is a toy. Apple understands this, hence the pivot to entertainment rental services like Apple TV, Apple News, Apple Music etc.

Despite the name, Swift Playgrounds is surprisingly capable. It is much more than just a child's play thing and learning tool. I use it all the time to prototype ideas or whip up quick programs to solve an immediate problem when I'm away from my Mac. It even supports submitting SwiftUI apps to the App Store (with some limitations of course).

> Any device you cannot program yourself is a toy.

That has to be one of the dumbest of dumb takes.

A car is a toy. A fridge is a toy. A spaceship is a toy.

(Hint: Those are all controlled by predefined knobs and bits and not ""programmable"" by the user. If your argument is that you can rip open a car and do whatever you want with it, well, nothing's really stopping you from doing the same to an iPad or iPadOS, if you can figure out how to do it.)

Even some toys are toys.

It's a common POV on this site and I don't get it at all. All I can figure is there are a bunch of folks who think the only useful thing you can do with computers is make software for computers, so if a computer's anything less than excellent for that specific purpose, it's just a toy.

Meanwhile everything important in my actual life that involves a computer takes place on my phone (an iPhone, the greatest bogey-man for that crowd, as far as I can tell) or on some purpose-specific device of one sort or another. Zero percent of it happens on a "real" computer—their role in my personal life is entirely toy-like.

You should check out Procreate. For me, it alone is enough reason to get an iPad.

Procreate is pretty cool. But my own dream is being able to run Procreate and Photoshop (gimp too, since why not) on the same device.

Can't you run UTM (QEMU) on these devices? You should be able to run anything you want

can't on latest ipad os, at least not without a jailbreak first? at least as far as I can tell, from UTM's own documentation. wish it was a developer option at least.

https://getutm.app/faq/#does-this-require-a-jailbreak

You can side load it using a developer account without jailbreaking.

>If you are running iOS 14.0, 14.1, 14.4, or higher: UTM works if you are jailbroken or semi-tethered with Jitterbug, AltJIT, or Jitstreamer. “Semi-tethered” means either tethered to a Mac/PC, to another iOS device with Wifi sharing, or to itself (one iOS device running both Jitterbug/AltJIT and UTM) through a on-device VPN profile.

Seems like with iOS 14+, and as of writing it seems like we're on iOS 17, it needs to be jailbroken? Do Jitterbug, Jitstreamer, AltJIT, work for developer accounts?

Looks like you're right. I'm not sure aboutJitterbug, Jitstreamer, or AltJIT.

> Procreate is pretty cool. But my own dream is being able to run Procreate and Photoshop (gimp too, since why not) on the same device.

Adobe shipped Photoshop for iPad in 2019: https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/ipad.html

GIMP for iPad: https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/xgimp-image-editor-paint-tool/...

Photoshop for iPad shipped in 2019 and still to this day is half-baked garbage that you can’t do anything productive with. Photopea is more useful on the iPad and it’s a web app.

Sure, there's a lot of great choices for professional photo editing — Affinity Photo, Adobe Lightroom, Darkroom, Pixelmator Photo, etc. I just wanted to make @falcolas's specific dream come true.

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