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Reminds ne of using DistroWatch to argue that Linux Mint is the most popular distro. User contributed, selection bias etc. It's not even clear what thought you're pushing.

(Having said that, internet infrastructure is not the best in Germany, but this problem has no relation to Huawei or China).

CCP penetration of comms in China: 100%

CCP penetration of comms in Germany: less than that

It's difficult to read such basic analysis and not think that it's done in bad faith.

Big part for this is that 4G contracts are so cheap in Germany. 5G 100 Mbps starts at 30€/month, while you can get a 4G 50 Mbps contract for 5€/month.

So one sixth of the price. People will think twice if they actually need that 5G.

Neighbour countries like Denmark or Netherlands (which both have aggressively banned Huawei) have much better internet than Germany. So the difference is hardly because of lack of technology. I would chalk it down to Germany being silly conservative and content about its old incompetent monopolies running things.

This is pure bullshit. 164.58 Mbps looks great until you realize that’s only true for sites within China or sites whitelisted by the CCP. It’s obviously 0 Mbps for Google or BBC. For sites that haven’t been reviewed, they throttle the connection. All sites on Cloudflare become unreliable. GitHub is sporadically banned.

Any sane person would much rather live in Germany.

Sites being blocked is different from internet being slow. Theoretically it's possible for GFW to disappear (very unlikely) or malfunction (more likely) and access to Google or BBC is suddenly much faster. Practically you can use a proper VPN.

I don't disagree with your opinion on which country is better to live in.

> It’s obviously 0 Mbps for Google or BBC

Google's ads business works fine in China. BBC is mostly English so Chinese people don't visit it anyway.

> All sites on Cloudflare become unreliable

This is completely false. Many people rely CF for domain-fronting. Also: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-partners-with-jd-clou...

The "164.58 Mbps average speed" is mostly spent on Tencent/Wechat, and the infamous Douyin(tiktok)

I ran a pretty popular site that at its peak got a terabyte a day back a few years ago. One of the most common complaints I got was that cloudflare is unstable in China.

The link you gave says serving Chinese traffic is at request, not for all sites.

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