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Microsoft bought th handsets division of Nokia. The part that makes carrier equipment is still very much an independant Finnish company…

oh, thanks for the correction; i didn't realize that

In case you didn’t know, the US materially supported Ukraine while China provided aid to Russia in more ways than one.

China sells to both Russia and Ukraine. I remember there was a youtube video showing a Russian dude went to a Shenzhen factory to buy drones and discovered some Ukrainian buyers also there.

It's interesting that Ukraine seems to have a better supply of Chinese-built drones than Russia.

Because Russia has the internal capacity to build these drones. I have seen hundreds of factories churning out drones like they are candy

Can you show me those hundreds of factories? I've seen calls from Russian soldiers for more and complains of not having enough.

and in case you didn't know US carpet bombed Vietnam and many other countries. so, what's your point?

The point, presumably, is that Germany and the US are politically and militarily aligned and that Russia and China are adversaries.

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Are you seriously trying to argue that the China/Russia is better than US when it comes to...foreign policy?

In regards to Africa, China is indisputably better than the US at foreign policy as a fact.

Check out the passport rankings to see who objectivity has the best foreign relations. https://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php surprised to see Syria and Pakistan lower than "Palestinian territories".

China isn't better. They just do colonialism 2.0 with their investments and debt-based diplomacy. The don't care one bit about a single African life.

Even if they're doing it for selfish reasons, 10 years of Chinese business has done more to lift the continent out of poverty than 30+ years of Western NGOs.

I don’t think he meant the Chinese were generous in Africa but just better than the Westerners. I’d take debt and infra over poverty and bombs any time of day.

It’s weird because the west still invests way more in Africa than China does, but Chinese investments get more attention. Even America is investing around 3X what China is investing, and it isn’t just make work for American companies like Chinese investment is. See https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases... vs http://www.sais-cari.org/chinese-investment-in-africa#:~:tex....

Chinese missiles and bombs are also making headway in africa as China keeps growing its military arms exports. Nigeria and Angola are ts 2nd and 3rd largest buyers after Pakistan.

https://chinapower.csis.org/china-global-arms-trade/#:~:text....

I am a bit puzzled. The second link you posted shows that China is investing way more than the US (which is actually divesting for the last few years). For arms, it's still a too low of an amount to make a difference.

How is 5 billion more than 14.6 billion?

It's very weird when people post links which contradict their text.

I usually block people that do that, because I find a quick trawl through their comment history often reveals they're deliberately spreading misinformation and/or gaslighting.

You are the one gaslighting. China is simply claiming that the USA invests less than they actually do.

HN doesn’t have a block function, but ya, I don’t see wolf warriors adding much to the conversation either. You guys just have a twisted view of the world and it isn’t interesting interacting with that.

> China is simply claiming that the USA invests less than they actually do.

So, you're refuting your own source?

You posted this source:

http://www.sais-cari.org/chinese-investment-in-africa#:~:tex...

Are you now saying it's unreliable?

If I was a German general or minister I'd choose to be backdoored by the US rather than China any day of the week.

Well, we already know they did that.

-https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/new-snowden-rev...

- https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-g...

The us already has a full blown military base IN Germany - there is likely plenty of intelligence sharing already and similar interests around security. Not sure US needs to back door too heavily for most info

"A military base" is really understating it.

Germany not only has several important bases, like Ramstein with the largest American military hospital outside American soil, and several other large bases (K-Town), but also houses two of eleven unified combatant commands in a single city: EUCOM and AFRICOM are both in Stuttgart.

Needless to say there's plenty of CIA around as well. Just look at the welcome guide for Frankfurt for new officers in the field from one of the more recent leaks. Can't remember which.

Allies spy on each other all the time. There was a big affair of US spying on Merkel a couple of years ago.

I assume this is coming from an American? Correct me if I'm mistaken of course.

I mean, Germany is already backdoored by the US in a quite physical sense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_ins...

Yeah no, hard pass on that.

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not sure why your comment is grey. it's an objective fact.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-...

Because Microsoft doesn't own Nokia. It bought the handset part, not the network one.

the only countries which doesn't share data with US spy agencies:

- china

- iran

- russia

- north korea

probably not because it was factually incorrect (though it was) but because, factuality aside, it was likely to produce a worthless, intellectually vacant flamewar (which it did). oops

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