Things look pretty dystopian as it stands, and if concentration of wealth continues, we'll speed down that dark road even faster. If not UBI, what other solution is there? Especially as automation sweeps through cognitive work?
I'd agree that if absolute wealth is being concentrated, that could pose a serious problem, because it would ultimately make large swaths of the population dependent for their livelihoods on a small, centralized set of people who determine the disposition of wealth.
But I'm not sure how UBI -- a program that would make large swaths of the population dependent for their livelihoods on a small, centralized set of people who determine the disposition of wealth -- is a solution to this problem rather than a de jure entrenchment of it.
> The USA is (mostly) not growing through birth so any proposal to gradually decrease the population has to include immigration.
You're going to need to explain how you've managed to bring The Foreigns into this, you've just glued together two unrelated statements. You say that the US population isn't growing through birthrates, and then talk about population decrease and immigration as though that's related. If the US population isn't growing through birthrates, and people continue to die (which is pretty much a given), then you've got your wish without ever needing your racism.
Out of interest, which of the First Nations tribes were you born into?
As far as I can tell, population growth in the USA is from people moving here from other places. Not as a result of growth from people having children.[1]
Assuming we live in a world where AI eats jobs, which as far as I can tell is what we are talking about, I would expect population growth, regardless of birth or flowing from another country to stop being beneficial. I agree with you that under current system it is a net benefit.
>Out of interest, which of the First Nations tribes were you born into?
How is that relevant?
[1] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-census-projections-sh...
No, this is a thread about billionaires lobbying against UBI. You brought AI into it so you could have a go about the foreigners.
> How is that relevant?
It's relevant because you're so anti-immigration that surely you must be native to the land you live on, otherwise you're just another racist pulling the ladder up behind you.
I think you'll find I was answering danielbln about AI and a lack of jobs.
> It's relevant because you're so anti-immigration that surely you must be native to the land you live on, otherwise you're just another racist pulling the ladder up behind you.
Why are you wasting your time with me when you could be winning a James Randi Educational Foundation million dollar prize for showing off your mind reading? Since you're wrong about my internal state I have no use responding to you.
The question was how do we deal with the coming lack of jobs without UBI. The answer is we peacefully reduce our population. This pre-supposes a lack of jobs. If you want to change the conditions of the question and say there will be more than enough jobs then we don't need UBI.