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One does have to take into account that while once very respected, over the past decade Seymour Hersh has published a series of implausible and poorly sourced claims. That doesn’t mean this theory is necessarily false, but it doesn’t add a great deal of credence to it either.

This is dubious for numerous reasons including some obvious evidence he’s been had.

https://medium.com/@dylan_combellick/hersh-fails-again-d541f...

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/41463/whatever-h...

… but you know what? if it is true… good.

Putin blackmailed Europe with energy, so this is kinda like shooting the hostage in a hostage standoff. Based.

I even wondered if Germany did it. Take capitulation entirely off the table. Very based.

Unlikely though. It was probably internal sabotage from Russia or Ukraine allied forces in Russia. There are devices call “pigs” used to inspect and clean pipelines. Wouldn’t be terribly hard to put an extra payload on one of those.

The cheap Russian energy was good for Europes' economy, but bad for the plans of the American military junta.

Now, with the pipeline gone, the USA is making all the money, and it has been very, very bad for Europes economy.

So, no, it was not 'probably' internal sabotage from Russia. It was more likely done by the people currently reaping insane profits selling shitty American gas to Germany.

Occams' razor. Follow the money.

If the EU wants the US gone they can all withdraw from NATO and take their chances. Right now they are getting very cheap to free military protection and have been for like 80 years.

Also Germany screwed itself by shutting down its nuclear fleet before its renewable/storage fleet was ready to match that supply, not to mention becoming increasingly dependent on imported gas for two decades while literally everyone (but Gazprom) told them this was idiotic. Germany's wounds are self-inflicted. They set themselves up to be completely dependent on someone for energy.

Don't worry America has lots of self-inflicted wounds too, like the second Iraq war.

The idea that Germany has the autonomy to stand up to America's military junta is just plain false. It simply doesn't have the agency as a nation state, to do so.

Germany screwed itself by allowing itself to remain a client state of the USA after WW2 and during the entire cold war, and by not wrestling control of its intelligence services away from the CIA, which still runs it today, and through which the entire political classes of the German state are subjugated.

Besides which, Energy inter-dependence between modern states is only a bad thing if you're not participating in the transaction. Obviously, the USA doesn't care about Germanys' energy dependence one bit, now that the USA is reaping billions of dollars of profit from the Germans for filthy energy supplies ..

France tried hard to not be a client state, ended up the same as Germany. That's self inflicted too?

Definitely. The US' intelligence apparatus is capable of subverting every Western democracy. This is by design.

Please kindly stop repeating this discredited bs on HN.

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