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The only thing is that most users don't know at all, or don't care. If the system doesn't eventually force them to update, they just won't. That's alright in the first order if you just don't care that they will get hacked, but we know what happened in the XP times - the machines join a botnet and attack everyone else.

If you're work PC forces you to reboot "right now", that's a corporate policy or some shitty "endpoint protection" tool. Windows 10 / 11 always ask you when you want to apply the update.

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> If you're work PC forces you to reboot "right now", that's a corporate policy or some shitty "endpoint protection" tool.

Or they just know their users.

At our company,the policy is set up to request reboot during the next 30 days (so basically till the next patch Tuesday). Who complains the most about updates all the time or every day? Those, who didn't bother to reboot during the last 30 days.

So at some point, you have to force it.

I'm one of those who will ignore it until forced to reboot because it's less reboots in total.

At home I have plenty of times where rebooting isn't disruptive, at work that's never true.

> The only thing is that most users don't know at all, or don't care.

They will learn when they have been hacked often enough. We should stop treating everyone as children. Oh no, children are now treated like adults.

Unfortunately I think they won't learn. What most of them will do is to click the next banner that shows "We detected a Virus on your computer. Please click here to fix this.", but they will will absolutely refuse to click on that popup in Windows that tells them to update, because Microsoft is the ultimate evil that can't be trusted.

I don't even run antivirus on my personal windows machines.

Indeed 3rd-party antiviruses are useless. Your best protection comes from the OS provider through updates (hence my original message).

worse than useless, they quite literally will use the same techniques to grab ahold of the kernel as the viruses they're trying to protect from.

I always found it hilarious how the spectre mitigations were breaking AV software.

> That's alright in the first order if you just don't care that they will get hacked, but we know what happened in the XP times - the machines join a botnet and attack everyone else.

That's alright also in Windows 10 or 11 when ransomware commes, so it must be something else. /s

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