Russia is not something anyone can solve from the outside; they have to figure it out themselves. Same for the Europe & the US, there are enough things to figure out here.
Done on paper ;) Then europe looks the other way while their exports to kirgizstan and other stans mysteriously quadruple starting 2022
To do it because of Navalny would just be a out of a wish to punish, not out of knowledge it would actually change the situation. And is it the role of the West to dish out punishment?
Besides it would just be used by Putin to empower the internal story of the threat of the West & NATO.
And it turned Russian people more more away from the West and enforced the us against them story of Putin.
Putin is where he is because he doesn't hesitate to kill each and every person that questions his authority, you can't expect people in an environment like that to go out onto the streets to demand the dictators head because it will end in a very predictable way. But the general impression I get is that people are broadly visibly supportive but in private a lot less so if not outright against it. This makes it very hard to measure the temperature in Russia. There is a good reason why Putin keeps murdering the opposition (or removing them in other ways): he knows that if there is a fair election and a half decent challenger that he's history.
But Russia is big and I also know a handful of people where he is the one who gave stability & although they are not stupid the idea that he is fully lying or wrong is hard to accept for them.
They generally accept the Ukraine narrative the Russian Media portrays, since it's all they know; and they have no reason to trust the West more then mother Russia.
"67 percent approve of how Putin is handling foreign policy, fewer, 58 percent, approve of his management of domestic affairs."
https://www.norc.org/research/library/new-survey-finds-most-...
It's also the humane thing to do. Accept any LGBT and any Russian who lives outside of Moscow or St Petersburg who are being forcibly conscripted for the meat grinder at 10x higher rates (effectively murdered).
Half-done it could be very dangerous - getting many well-connected and affluent people with nothing against in principle to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but who don't like the practical consequences for themselves.
Maybe disallow them from voting in local elections for 8 years after immigration so they have no political influence. And spread them around many countries so they're less than 1% of the general population.
Even if they're pro-Putin it might still be a net good getting them out of Russia. It's now a war of attrition, the #1 thing that matters is manpower (manpower for conscription, and manpower for industrial production).
You want someone able to keep things organized when the state cracks.
Russians tried to do that. Got labeled murders and told in words and actions to 'get back to their shithole' or outright to just die.
Quite surprising, that wasn't viewed favourably by other Russians.
As a Russian emigre myself, I can say that when you are calling for sanctions, you're calling for people like me to get screwed. Putin and his cronies don't seem too much damaged, on the other hand.
What doesn't stop to surprise me is that in every occasion that such dictators rise to the top of the foodchain there there is a whole cadre of enablers that can't wait to be part of the machine. Without them it wouldn't get off the ground. But they always exist and they always seem to exist in large enough numbers that these assholes get to make their play, to the bitter end in most cases.
Support Ukraine more.
Support refugees from Russia.
Enact personal sanctions against 6000 war-enablers that Navalny team prepared:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6000_List
And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU.
EU is much closer, but it does nothing. Putins regime could've lost 30-50% of it's high-skilled workforce if EU or UK just made it easier to immigrate. E.g literally 100,000s of Russian IT workforce left due to war and political situation, but getting actual work visas is hard process and outside of country of citizenship it's only gets harder if not impossible.
But honestly west can't even help Ukraine efficiently. How can one expect EU to actually do anything to cripple Russia economy...
EU still provide visas to tons of people who continue to live in Russia and pay taxes in Russia, but dont give any visas to people who left and dont support Putins regime.
Meanwhile in Moscow, you have a good chance to get a 5-year visa from France.
Fun fact: the exact same phenomenon was being ridiculed by the White Russians, back in the 1920s. European countries were suspecting them of being Bolshevik, yet the actual Bolsheviks could come just fine.
Now, of course tourist visas are not really relevant for emigration, but it's an example of the attitude shown towards us.
Collective punishment is still a war crime.
> Article 33 - Individual responsibility, collective penalties, pillage, reprisals
> No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
> Pillage is prohibited.
> Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.
A couple of months (more like years, maybe?) ago it was fairly easy to find many articles about FSB money being laundered through Vivid. But, lo and behold, a search for "FSB" and "Vivid" returns some very ...strange articles: https://imgur.com/VOCNvna
Did Vivid create specific articles to thwart any specific results from appearing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk
In Germany only, the company "lost" 60+ millions euros (the information for Netherlands is not available/public?) - https://www.northdata.de/Vivid+Money+GmbH,+Berlin/Amtsgerich...
[edit on my previous comment: it seems Vivid moved from Germany to Netherlands, one might think that BaFin is doing something after all?]
[later edit: searching some more https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/ot5guf/vividmoney_...]
Freezing someone stolen wealth has nothing to do with a war crimes.
> And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU.
Let's just say, for arguments sake, there is a child who is genuinely estranged from his war-enabling parents, living in Europe on his own dime. Should they fall under these sanctions? I would say no.
You are surely joking...
"IMF raises Russia growth outlook as war boosts economy - New 2024 forecast of 2.6% rise doubles previous prediction and prompts questions over sanctions against Moscow" - https://www.ft.com/content/21a5be9c-afaa-495f-b7af-cf9370931...
But those tanks are going to burn, they don't add value to the economy, won't be exchanged for foreign goods. If you dig a hole into the ground, you increase the GDP, war destruction is not much different in its value creation. GDP is not a perfect measure of an economy.
An often-used example of this is the crash of oil tanker Exxon Valdez, which in terms of GDP is one of the most productive sea voyages of all time.
Supply more weapons to Ukraine? No matter what, Ukraine lacks resources everywhere. Tanks, long-range missiles, anti-air defense, artillery, ammunition.
Alternatively, we can do whatever we can to assist the Russian opposition. A lot of them have been forced into exile. Give them money and access to even a bit of the juicy stuff the CIA is bound to have on the entire Russian elite...
The sanctions don't look that crippling from where I'm standing. Russia keeps intensifying their war effort in Ukraine
Business is separate from war (see Sweden's metallurgy industry during WW2).
- There's also a lot of other business with Russia that is not sanctioned.
- Ukraine does not have enough ammunition.
- There are so called neutral countries that should not be neutral.
I believe the strategy that the powers at be are attempting is to keep Russia occupied in Ukraine for as long as possible without major escalation. Without assigning morality, it seems like a tough balancing act to achieve.
Why?
Arming Ukraine, tighten sanctions.
The world has been treating Russia with kids gloves while it should be treating it as the drunken nuisance it is.
"We are not confiscating your money from the bank but when you call to withdraw them, we will pretend we can't hear you on the phone".
But no one wants a nuclear state to fail. Moscow must be terrified of another coup d'etat, hence Navalny's death.
[1]extracting, insurance and delivery cost for Saudis are about $17 and for Russia it maybe as high as $40 now.
Western countries could deliver planes, Germany could deliver Taurus cruise missles, countries could give submarines in the atlantic to target Russian oil rigs etc.
If it invades Poland. Finland joining NATO makes such an invasion less likely, because (I'm told) that membership gives NATO enough logistics to encircle Kaliningrad without going through the Suwałki Gap, and this in turn changes Kaliningrad itself from an asset into a liability. No, I'm not sure why Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia were not already sufficient for this.
> Western countries could deliver planes, Germany could deliver Taurus cruise missles, countries could give submarines in the atlantic to target Russian oil rigs etc.
Yes, though I've heard convincing arguments that part of the current Russian strategy is to keep NATO sufficiently worried about escalation that they focus on building up their own forces instead of donating those same resources to Ukraine.
You could argue that if the Russian state failed then a group of nations could literally just buy their nukes from whatever gangsters ever up in charge.
SA is on a lookout for allies: Defence partnership with Pakistan which probably end up in a nuclear technology transfer or purchase of atomic weapons.
If USA would give better security guarantees to SA (similar to Jordan) with some tech transfer, SA would increase the output by 2x, which would result in $45 per barrel.
As for Iran, seems like recently there has been a rapprochement(mediated by China), will need to see where it leads. It's pretty clear to me SA is on the lookout for allies, but US is low on their list, as they realised(correctly) that all the human rights issues in Russia exist there as well and might get tackled by the West in a decarbonised future.
Not anymore after MBS came to power. Wahabhi missionary worm was a King Fahd policy (and why so many foreign mosques are named after him).
> it is not at all appealing to the citizens of one of the best welfare states in the world
Not to most, but it's definetly appealing to a small subset similar to how White Nationalism is appealing to a small subset of Americans.
The religious reforms post-2017 have been massive [0], and the fact that shows like Masameer or Bait Tahrir are being openly produced is a testament to that fact
> As for Iran, seems like recently there has been a rapprochement(mediated by China)
Only limited to Yemen. The relationship post-rapprochement was still fairly shaky and went down the gutter once 10/7 happened [1]
> pretty clear to me SA is on the lookout for allies, but US is low on their list
Yea no. Saudi is still continuing with US lead Israel-Saudi normalization [2] along with pushing for a US Defense Pact similar to what Japan has [3]
[0] - https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/06/07/saudi-arabia-s-reli...
[1] - https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/12/saudi-iran-rapprochemen...
[2] - https://www.mei.edu/publications/saudi-israel-normalization-...
[3] - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-pushe....
The reason why I say this: Around the time of the price cap on Russian oil US was already asking Saudi to pump supply so that Russian budget would suffer, and of course Saudis didn't do anything. I think MBS is going fully down the Erdogan/Orban route where he is nominally "West aligned" but is going to be playing both sides as much as he can. When I said allies I meant someone who they would have reciprocal relationships with(which IMO isn't really the case with US atm).
You're overreading into what is a fairly routine demand and response.
Saudi is in the process of implementing MBS's Vision 2030 [0], which requires a lot of financing, and oil prices have been dropping significantly over the last few years.
Most US allies outside of Europe are indifferent to Russia because the bigger bad to them is China or local rivalries.
Even in the US, Ukraine (and Israel and China) almost never comes up in conversations outside of Reddit. Adviika and much of the Russia-Ukraine war is barely mentioned in any mainstream American news because it doesn't hold much relevance to most Americans compared to domestic concerns [1]
> allies I meant someone who they would have reciprocal relationships with(which IMO isn't really the case with US atm)
Nothing you've said is proof to the contrary. Oil price decreases are always a no-go for Saudi given that 75% of state revenue is financed by oil.
[0] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Vision_2030
[1] - https://apnews.com/article/2024-top-issues-poll-foreign-poli...
>Oil price decreases are always a no go for Saudi
Factually false, remember 2015? Saudis tried to kill US shale pretty aggressively.
It may come as something of a shock to some, but US constitution effectively guarantees gridlock if the various blocks are unable to agree. It is a feature and not a bug.
In other words, obstruction, such as it is -- last time I checked there were still talks about aid package slowly making it through house with pieces being cut out -- is a valid form of political expression.
I think I understand where you am coming from, but the post I see from you are all unnecessarily 'angry' presenting an opinion as an axiom. It may be worthwhile to take a step back and consider whether those contributions are useful to the community. Frankly, it may be detracting people from the message you intend to spread.
edit: second paragraph spelling errors
Ah, ok so until things really derail you shouldn't be upset. Sorry but I'm not 'angry', I'm ANGRY and that is mostly because I spent a long time working through my various family's stories about WWII, what led up to it and how it all ended up and that nobody that could have done something about it acted when they still could. This isn't some kind of abstract mental exercise. If you're not angry that simply means you haven't thought it through yet.
I do not want to seem dismissive, but I am from the old country and, well, we all have family stories about WW2. I am not going to delve deep into into it though.
<< If you're not angry that simply means you haven't thought it through yet.
I personally think it is a common misconception. Yes, anger can be a good catalyst and may force a person to act, but I am not entirely certain anger is a good advisor. On a personal scale, I rank it just below fear in terms of usefulness.
My actual point: If you are angry, you are not thinking clearly. I tend to remove myself from conversations if I find myself so.
Proceeds to be dismissive.
> I personally think it is a common misconception. Yes, anger can be a good catalyst and may force a person to act, but I am not entirely certain anger is a good advisor. On a personal scale, I rank it just below fear in terms of usefulness.
I don't want to be dismissive, but you are giving undue weight to your own opinion over those of others when you probably should at least give them equal weight, on the off chance that you are simply wrong.
> My actual point: If you are angry, you are not thinking clearly. I tend to remove myself from conversations if I find myself so.
What you meant to say: "If I am angry, I am not thinking clearly. I tend to remove myself from conversations if I find myself so."
Are you sure you not projecting a tad bit here?
<< Proceeds to be dismissive.
Would you feel better if I wrote 'too dismissive'?
<< What you meant to say
Heh.
<< you are simply wrong.
What exactly am I being wrong about?
We established we share some ww2 background with its survivors and their descendants and, as a result, your opinion is, at best, as unimportant as mine.
I think we established that emotion ( anger ) may not such a great way to establish whether one is paying attention.
What did I miss?
Friend, I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but so far your responses are not very inspiring. Hell, I am not even sure what you are angry about.
I mean, I can talk generalities too you know. People suck. See?
We might eventually get to a place where we can dramatically increase support for Ukraine, but there’s a lot that has to happen first.
In a platonic ideal world, sure. But in the world as it stands, this is not possible. The constraints on the system prohibit it as surely as if the Constitution specifically forbade it.
This is a nice idea but thanks to the shale revolution the US is now a net exporter of fossil fuels, and I suspect the will is not there.
> insurance
What percentage of energy is going out insured? It was my understanding that the transportation was moving to state owned vessels.
Military intervention is not required. Just give Ukraine what it needs to repel the Russian invasion and let Putin face his Russian czar fate.
I support sending Ukraine more ammo to defend its sovereignty. Appeasement is also bad.
It's business as usual in Russia.
The Moscow malls are full of people.
Let's not pretend that Russia is the only country on the planet that houses political prisoners in its jails.
I'm sure I'll get downvoted to hell for this, but seriously, the west isn't any better.
We still need to fight -- or at the very least, call out -- injustice when it happens.
Pointing out Russia's misdeeds doesn't mean one thinks the West is innocent. It certainly is not. That's why you're being downvoted.
I guess a politician is worth more than an Arab-American teenager?