To someone eating this “brice”, it is just “rice” unless you go deeper from the roots and tell them what it contains. For other meat-like vegetable-meat (the ones in burgers), it is visually meat.
I'm serious, and curious (not trying to be political or anything derogatory).
I suspect any meat-based origin proteins that are grown from plants would be considered vegan since their production does not involve the suffering of animals.
Some vegans may object to it on principle that there may be animal testing involved with their FDA approval. But other vegans usually find this stance a bit hardlined.
But if we set that aside, I'm sure opinions will differ. This is a single-celled organism we're talking about here, to me (was vegetarian, then vegan, now neither) that's more like yeast, and the fact that it's in the animal kingdom is a technicality. None of these cells are neural tissue so it's incapable of suffering in any way we would recognize.
But I would expect the more crunchy-granola school of vegans to find the idea horrifying and refuse to eat it.
On the other hand, if you make a biological distinction - plant vs animal proteins - then this is clearly falling on the "animal" side. This might still be important for people who don't eat meat for health reasons or who are vegetarians for so long that they find meat plain yucky, no matter where it's coming from.
Maybe making this a third category would make most sense.
Someone who never eats meat and who eats meat a few times a year are nearly indistinguishable compared to someone who eats meat every day.
The purity tests are childish. Eating meat on rare occasions doesn’t make you not a vegetarian.
To your point, I have no idea and I would give little stock to someone who would actually care. You’ve almost certainly eaten some insects in your produce in your lifetime, does that mean it wasn’t vegetarian?
I'm 150#/6'1", bench 240 (ok, my genetics are a serious advantage here), deadlift 340 and eat about 1700 calories a day. If you can go better pound for pound, I'll accept your point.
I'm 210#/6', My 5 rep maxes are(I don't do 1RMs): bench 275, DL 495, squat 455. You do seem strong, but I am pretty sure that is due to your genetics and whatever exercise you get, and not due to the red meat diet you have.
I started lifting as a vegan (properly supplemented) and switched to primarily meat when I stalled my progress. My 1RMs were 270 DL, 180 bench then. Same weight and height. I only saw progress when I started eating meat, although the dairy probably helped too. Also seriously helped my recovery times. I think the increased digestibility of dairy and meat proteins allowed my body to heal enough to actually build strength, and I'm now lifting at a much higher class for my weight and build.
One interesting thing I've noted is that people who were raised eating meat and doing farm chores are much stronger than vegans who work out in a typical fashion. I arm-wrestled a monk who doesn't eat meat, but was raised on a farm, and he had a lot more endurance than a typical plant-based person.
<4% of people are vegan in the US. Have you sought out vegan lifters? Unless this is a gimmick of yours, like you run some Youtube channel where you challenge vegans on Bondi Beach, you don't. And a simple google search can find vegans stronger than you including internet personalities like Vegan Gains.
If you are stronger than strong vegan lifters, then you're stronger than almost everyone anyways, and your observation applies to everyone else, even people eating your diet. Long before we even get to the claim that any of this is diet related rather than most-people-don't-lift related.
Finally, I don't believe your numbers. 150lbs at 6'1 is a tiny build, if you can even call it a build. I'd love to see a video of this "physique" lifting anything. When you fib numbers, at least fib something more reasonable like 180-200lbs if you're going to pretend you outlift anyone.
> Finally, I don't believe your numbers. 150lbs at 6'1 is a tiny build, if you can even call it a build. I'd love to see a video of this "physique" lifting anything.
Won't be doxxing myself, maybe I'll blur my face on a 100lb strict curl or something. Generally not cool to body shame like this, but I'm pretty used to this type of comment. Generally people shut up when I rep 300 DL.
And when someone pushes you on your BS numbers, they're body shaming you even though you force some weird self-aggrandizing diet shaming stunt in the HN comments and boast about your 150lb body.
My numbers are real, sorry. They aren't even super high, Cailer Woolam was waaay stronger than me at this weight. He was DLing ~800 at 210lbs, too. Some people powerlift without eating like a horse, it's a real thing.