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> If you require licensing fees for training data, you kill open source ML.

kill open source ML -> decrease speed of improvements for some open source ML

Sadly not. Making something illegal has social effects, not just legal effects. I’ve grown tired of being verbally spit on for books3. One lovely fellow even said that he hoped my daughter grows up resenting me for it.

It being legal is the only guard against that kind of thing. People will still be angry, but they won’t be so numerous. Right now everyone outside of AI almost universally despises the way AI is trained.

Which means you won’t be able to say that you do open source ML without risking your job. People will be angry enough to try to get you fired for it.

(If that sounds extreme, count yourself lucky that you haven’t tried to assemble any ML datasets and release them. The LAION folks are in the crosshairs for supposedly including CSAM in their dataset, and they’re not even a dataset, just an index.)

US copyright has limited reach. There are models trained in China, where the IP rules are... not really enforced. It would be an interesting world where you use / pay for those models because you can't train them locally.

If everyone is unhappy with your rampant piracy, then perhaps that is a sign that you’re doing it wrong?

Is there evidence that it's actually everyone or even close to everyone? The core innovation that the internet brought to harassment is that it is sufficient for some 0.0...01% of all people to take issue with you and be sufficiently dedicated to it for every waking minute of your life to be filled with a non-stop torrent of vitriol, as a tiny percentage of all internet users still amounts to thousands.

Perhaps. The reason I did it was because OpenAI was doing it, and it’s important for open source to be able to compete with ChatGPT. But if OpenAI’s actions are ruled illegal, then empirically open source wasn’t a persuasive enough reason to allow it.

> Right now everyone outside of AI almost universally despises the way AI is trained.

I don't agree with this. Most people don't care at all, and at best people would argue about some form of compensation.

Saying "everyone" is unsubstantiated.

I mean... "Everyone was angry at Napster" at the same time "everyone is angry at the MPAA/RIAA"

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