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This logic validates any horrific human rights abuse, just as long as that abuse is an epsilon less horrific than what is happening elsewhere.

That shouldn't be the bar. "Brutal but better than where you came from." Should still be unacceptable. Work should afford someone dignity and fair compensation, not simply be better than the worst conditions the worker has dealt with.

This is a really shitty take. I don't think you're a decent person if that's how you truly feel.

> Since the implementation of the ‘Remain in Mexico’ policy in 2019 and Title 42 in 2020, asylum seekers sent to Mexico have experienced kidnapping, rape, extortion, and other abuses by organized crime and Mexican officials.

> When the United States sends migrants to Mexico, criminal cartels are enriched by kidnapping them and then extorting money from their US-based family members to secure their release.

Just to comment on what your "good option" means for many. Maybe you meant the option is good for the US and employers, rather than for the migrant worker

How is the US responsible for Mexicans raping other Mexicans? Is it our responsibility to stop all bad things from happening or just those that happen in Mexico? Should we have a police force on Mexican soil?

Because they are not from Mexico, they are from elsewhere. They applied for asylum in the US, and that policy had US immigration agents force them to go to Mexico to wait years for an asylum hearing.

I can't see "US" and "Mexico" from space.

Mexicans are US Americans human neighbors.

> I can't see "US" and "Mexico" from space.

You are speaking with an adult. These arguments do not work on me. I pay income tax to the US, not Mexico, and if I don't, the US throws me in a real prison cell. Countries are very real to me.

Out of curiosity, what would your response be if Putin said "I can't see Russia and Ukraine from space, I am just providing security support for my human neighbors"

Ones talking about asylum, you’re talking about bombing campaigns

The invasion of Ukraine started with Crimea, in which Russian forces were in either unmarked uniforms or without uniforms.

Parent was talking about how they can not "see" USA and Mexico from space, so the topic I am addressing is borders and the control of borders.

If we don't want to acknowledge borders when it comes to asylum seekers, how can we expect others to respect them when it is easier for them to ignore them.

> How is the US responsible for Mexicans raping other Mexicans?

...Because we're all human beings?

That's a shame but I don't see how that's the US responsibility. This seems like a call for imperialism more than anything else. Let Mexico govern themselves please.

It's a human responsibility to not steal from someone whatever the circumstances.

And a human responsibility to not exploit people running away from a violent dangerous environment.

If you only care about people with a certain piece of paper then it says something about your total lack of ethics and human compassion.

How far does this human responsibility extend?

I agree don't steal and let's prosecute those who do. What about those in Mexico that steal from the the people who are fleeing violence?

Why stop there, how about we do something about the violent dangerous environment? Would you support military action in Mexico and South America to try and fix the problems?

How much do you understand about US state involvement with cartels? That’s a lot of optimism placed in bombs

I doubt that military action would resolve the issue, given the outcome of the USA's last couple actions.

But I also know that it will be something that get tried, probably more than once if the US thinks that it has a moral mandate to fix the problem in Mexico and South America as the parent was suggesting.

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