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I'm not thrilled about https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/localllm/blob/main/ll... calling their Python package "llm" and installing "llm" as a CLI command, when my similar https://llm.datasette.io/ project has that namespace reserved on PyPI already: https://pypi.org/project/llm/

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I'm really pissed off at Google for doing this:

- First, they "steal" @simonw's 'llm' keyword for their own CLI tool (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39296567)

- Then they create a wrapper around llama-cpp-python which is a wrapper around llama-cpp, a project they don't even credit nor support.

- Then they steal @mcapodici's article title to publish it on their blog (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39297563).

- And the ironic part is that their Gemini models are closed-source, so no gguf for those.

May I ask why you linked to your parents comment as a source? Just seems.. odd

"No GPU? No Problem." Isn't exactly a complex phrase they'd have to steal, seems much more likely they came up with it independently.

Google trying to ride the open source hype that Meta is blessed by, except google is a mean girl who regrets opening up the transformer without taxing it, so they're really sour about it and doing these tricks now to pretend to still support open-source.

I actually wish that no one took the llm namespace. It's annoyingly vague.

I think it's a pretty great name for my tool, given that it lets you interact with dozens of different LLMs via plugins.

Plus I like that it's three letters, since it's designed for CLI usage.

But your tool isn't an llm. llmt for e.g. llm tool could be better

Yes - at the same time it would similarly fit other tools where some form of working with LLMs is the main feature. And with time we might get more of these.

At least it’s not called “ai”, we have that already, e.g. https://github.com/yufeikang/ai-cli

Sure, but it’s not like you own the name LLM.

I mean, let’s say you picked say, “ghost pony”; ok, sure, it’s obviously a name.

But LLM? I mean, it’s not like you can get a lot more generic than that. If your tools name is “tool” and some else makes a tool called “tool”, you can’t really complain that much…

This is kinda how I feel about HTTPie taking using 'http' in the CLI.

Almost every package is vague if you're just going off names of packages. Is 'pandas' some kind of screensaver showcasing the cute animals?

I like what Go does (I know, the irony). Buy a domain name, that's your namespace.

If the name is available, someone will take it, and I can think of no better steward of it than Simon

I thought exactly the same - it actually drives me nuts that Python packages have this confusing dual-name nature. You were there first!

This happened with one of my neovim plugins (also named llm!). In my case I was already thinking of renaming the project so I just went through with that. The other project's maintainer was nice enough to apologize and I ended up with a name I liked better.

https://github.com/gsuuon/model.nvim/discussions/37

Yeah, this feels super reactive. Like someone pitched an idea for how to convert AI enthusiasts to paid google AI suite...

I want to know: are they contributing back to llamacpp? Are they paying GG?

LLM is now an ubiquitous term, not sure anyone can claim ownership of the keyword. It also looks like the package is a local install only, not pushed to PyPI. So unless you want to use this project, you'd never know.

You should rename your project.

Missed /s

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