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Do you have a voice recording of you doing your entire job, every day of your life?

No, but I'm also not driving hundreds of souls around near mach 1 strapped to 100k gallons of jet fuel. And when I've worked in government environments I had escorts watching my screen like a hawk the entire time.

Not to mention the tapes are only pulled if there's an incident. You could even have a little tamper seal on it to show if it's been downloaded. This is absurd.

See also: police bodycams

If you have the capacity to end peoples' lives with an arm spasm I think your privacy should rightfully take a backseat.

Absolutely not. Body cams mute the first part of the audio for this exact reason. Privacy is important.

The issue with police body cam audio is that they are regularly recording non-police who do have a right to privacy. That's not an issue for pilot cockpit recordings. (If it is, you've got an incident that should be recorded.)

The muting you observe of police footage isn't of the first part of the audio, it's the prior 30 seconds from before the record button is pressed. They have a constant buffer going, as things can happen... unexpectedly.

This caught a cop in Baltimore; he wasn't aware of or had forgotten the feature. The 30 second buffer caught him planting drugs, then faking the finding. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/20/538279258...

Side note: It took years to charge him (https://www.baltimoresun.com/2020/03/09/caught-fabricating-e...) and he served no jail time for trying to send an innocent person to jail (https://www.wbaltv.com/article/officer-testifies-in-own-defe...).

> The muting you observe of police footage isn't of the first part of the audio, it's the prior 30 seconds from before the record button is pressed. They have a constant buffer going, as things can happen... unexpectedly.

I just want to clarify that it only buffers the video. The way you worded it still doesn't explain why the previous 30 seconds of audio isn't included in the buffering.

When the button is pressed is when audio recording is started and the previous 30 seconds of video buffer is prepended to the live recording.

If my job involved taking the lives of hundreds of humans in my hands, then I would expect that, at least during the hours in which said lives are my responsibility.

IMHO surgical theatres should have permanent multi-perspective cameras recording everything for the same reason.

Only if the patient consents (or their family if they are unable to give legal consent), otherwise no for patient privacy.

Patients are typically covered with a cloth, head do toe.

There you also have patient privacy to take into account.

This is the reality for a large number of truck drivers who bear a significantly lower responsibility.

There are software engineer jobs where you need to keep your camera on during work hours to show you are in your seat.

These jobs do not attract the best software engineers.

They could with sufficient pay.

The intersection between employers who demand to film you being in a chair and employers who shower their employees with substantial lucre is the null set.

I just watched a youtube video on how a person looking for editing jobs had some pretty poor working conditions with terrible pay. A very controlling boss, asking him to edit on an old x86 macbook because he was told it was 'for creators'. The guy mentioned he a beast machine at home he could edit remotely and the person told him "do you want to edit?". The boss would not even provide him a mouse-he had to edit by trackpad.

He walked out around noon. The boss asked him to come back for an extra $20 that day.

I doubt the jobs where you don't enjoy any level of trust are the ones where you get paid well or get any kind of dignified treatment.

I recently saw a job ad for a JavaScript specialist where the position entailed having screenshots and keyboard + mouse tracking to monitor your working hours. It was a freelancer position, so the hire would handle taxes and health insurance, no equipment would be provided and working hours would start at 08:00 German time sharp for at least nine hours or until you "finish the daily tasks". Pay would however be for 189 hours per month, no compensation for sick leave/holidays/vacation, and you'd be paid via upwork.com (with you paying Upwork's fees) in US dollars.

I'm pretty sure any place doing that is not going to offer sufficient pay.

What is your point? We were discussing when pilots should be expected to be recorded in the cockpit for privacy vs safety. I mentioned there are software engineer jobs where you have to keep the camera on all day.

There are jobs where you are expected to keep the camera and there are programmers who accept those work terms.

Yeah, but nobody applies for those.

The people posting on Reddit would disprove your point. Likely because they do not tell you about that upfront and say it is a small thing.

My job does not involve direct responsibility for the immediate life-or-death of hundreds of lives.

Well, I do have a Git repo that tracks every meaningful change and action that I've done at my job since inception.

I did when I worked retail, and while I worked food service.

Hundreds of people don't die when I screw up.

No but I also don't have the lives of 300 people in my hands.

Pilots can have the lives of quite a lot more than that on their hands since an airplane makes for a great kinetic weapon. The pilots of KLM Flight 4805 took the lives of almost 600 people.

Many people do. Depends on the job.

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