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I am not going to walk around all day in a headset. Everything you describe is AR, not VR. A HUD in my glasses would be fantastic but a completely different product than an immersive VR headset.

> in a headset

That's why I mentioned "much more refined devices".

To me it seems obvious that Apple made a headset only because that's the minimum amount of hardware needed, right now, for the functionality they want. What they really want is "Apple Glasses", but they're willing to set money on fire for however long it takes to get there, building out the full-featured software ecosystem along the way so that by the time the mass market likes the idea they've already completely conquered the niche.

I am still waiting for Dennou Coil to become reality...

> That is to say, imagine your terminal as a floating window, but you've also got other windows arranged around your home and office, not just clustered at a desk. Reminders floating near your fridge or break room, weather forecasts near the coatrack, calendar with upcoming events on a wall, Kindle or Books.app floating next to your couch...

I'm imagining it and I'm not impressed. Post-its on fridges work fine, and why would I ever walk to my calendar or weather information when I have everything right here in my pocket? That sounds like a downgrade. Regarding replacing the Kindle: while I love my Kobo, most people still prefer physical books over ebooks, so I don't see it.

I know I know, people said the same about the iPod, the iPhone etc., but I was not one of them (yep, I'm old). (EDIT: I was highly dismissive of the AppleWatch and EarPods, but I think their success are more because of fashion. I kind of doubt that the AVP will succeed because it'll be fashionable to sport one on your head, but as just said, I was wrong before...)

In the Wall Street Journal review, Joanna Stern managed to put two timers on top of two different pots while she was cooking with the headset on. Was pretty cool.

I would assume that the next iteration for the Mac and AVP integration would be to break out the windows from the Mac and place them anywhere, unconstrained by the concept of a screen.

The timer thing was the most impressive and useful thing I’ve seen so far. Which in a way is kind of sad, but it does hint at where things can go in the future.

The big leap that still need to be made is the jump from VR to AR, and much smaller. I think AR will make the idea of people wearing this stuff all the time much more socially acceptable. I can’t see an average person putting on the current AVP to cook dinner.

I'm really struggling here: aside from baking and pressure cooking, why would you ever need a timer for cooking? Is that a cultural thing? Don't you guys see and taste when things are done? (And for pressure cooking, just get an InstantPot, it's cheaper and you don't have to wear it in front of your eyes.)

Why would you need a timer for pressure cooking? Don't you just stand there staring at it counting the whistles?

Not the OP, but right now I set a timer on my $200 phone so I can shitpos^W engage in the comments here. I don't need to watch the pot, I don't want to watch the pot. And my pressure cooker has a built-in timer so aside of the initial check what it did got the required pressure I don't need to bother with it at all.

As said, I'm fully in favor of timers for pressure cooking. I love my InstantPot. It solves an actual problem. No more turned-to-sludge potatoes!

And I think we can agree that if you don't want to watch the pot, having the timer spatially over it makes little sense, and that little phone in your pocket is probably better suited to remind you...

BTW, guys, a large part of cooking is actually pipelining: for instance, while the pasta is cooking, you can cook other stuff in parallel!

Gives a rough idea/reminder. I'll often wander off and do something else for the 10 minutes it takes to cook pasta or whatever so a timer is preferable to ruining my food. I don't know why I'd need it spatially over the specific dish, my cheapo smart speaker will do multiple just fine.

I regularly set timers for things like pasta, steel-cut oats, baking cookies, backing lasagna, roasting chicken, chilling pastry in the fridge. Many of those things take significant time and do not need constant attention. I can wander off and do other things and be reminded when to come back and check on them. (If something takes an hour, I’ll usually set a 30-45min timer to check on progress.) Sometimes that other activity is just sitting in the kitchen table and browsing the web or watching a video. I could do that on the AVP, too.

Obviously you wouldn’t pay for an AVP just to set cooking timers, but if you are wearing an AVP, it is handy to be able to do this.

I don’t do a lot of cooking, but when my dad is cooking for a holiday meal he will almost always have his iPad out to time stuff. He has an app that shows the burners on a stove and he can set times for each one so he can keep track of what’s going on.

The stuff might not need exact timing, like with baking, but if he is prepping something else on the counter, or gets caught up in a conversation, the timers keep things from going off the rails. He has a tendency to lose track of some of that stuff without the reminders. He also keeps track of how long things take, so he can better plan in the future, as he tries to get all the stuff to finish up around the same time. When it starts getting close to dinner time there are a lot of timers going off and things seem a bit chaotic, so I think it would be easy for things to fall through the cracks.

I don’t think he cooks often, especially not for a group, so it’s not a skill he’s developed where he can just go by feel. The recipe will say something like, “simmer for 10 minutes,” so that’s what he does.

Still, is it $3400 better than “Siri, set a timer for 5 minutes; Siri, set a timer for two minutes”?

Ah, but which one is for which pot?

"Alexa, set a spaghetti timer for 10 min", "Alexa, set a sauce timer for 15 min".

10 minutes later:

"Your spaghetti timer is done."

5 minutes later:

"Your sauce timer is done."

At least this works fine with Alexa, just name the timer.

Interestingly (and somewhat surprisingly) you can do this on an Apple Watch.

However, you cannot do this on an iPhone (what?!).

Perhaps you haven’t updated your version of iOS in the last 4-5 months, or haven’t tried it recently?

This is high on the list of surprising warts on iOS that has been fixed.

Ah, my apologies then. I have updated but out of habit, I haven't tried it on my phone since that feature hasn't worked for years.

This is already possible in 1.0

https://www.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1ai37t7/working_...

I have a lot more faith in spatial computing if it can be more like Minority Report, where we have pervasive screens and projections in the environment, rather than AR.

Having a tiling window manager and usually a single terminal window open, that spatial part doesn't seem beneficial to me.

I can see why it is cool though!