How is that a thing. Why do so many people fall for it? How do these people get discovered. The only reason I know about them is because of a meme YouTube video where a reporter drilled a televangelist on camera.
Aside: may I propose we style the Internet variety as eVangelists?
Suddenly he was devoting all his time to studying rites and rituals, almost cutting out contact with is family, and taking up extra jobs so he could send money to this guru.
My dad met this guru once when he visited here in Norway. My dad said he spent way more time talking about the stock market than anything spiritual.
Yet to this day, a couple of decades later, their son is still laboring hard for this guy.
I did get to speak to him a few times after he had converted. For me this whole thing was utterly bewildering.
Looking back at us growing up, I suppose what he was seeking was somewhere to belong. It wasn't about this or that religion specifically, that seemed almost incidental, looking in from the outside.
His life had gotten a new meaning: follow these rites and rituals, and do whatever this guy says. In return he got a sense of belonging.
Still really weird to me, and still very hard for his parents. But their son willingly and with open eyes embraced this.
I've reflected on this several times, and my conclusion is that some people just want to believe, so they can belong.
America has a long history of "preachers", and "evangelists". I was in a thread yesterday that referenced Johnny Appleseed who was ministering and planting nurserys.
There is "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinners_in_the_Hands_of_an_Ang... ) That continues to be looked at and dwelled upon.
This carries through into modern times... Sam Kinison who was a famous and very distinct comedian gets a lot of his style from being a tent revival style preacher (You can watch is comedy that is very NSFW and his preaching its an interesting counter point). Mind you Sam is a contemporary of Jim Baker (a massive scandal that makes this one look small), and his wife Tammy Fay. And in the very present The show The Righteous Gemstones makes fun of the excess and money that preachers can generate.
This is no longer an exclusively offline type of localism either. There is no shortage of online bubbles that are well insulated from outside perspectives.
It’s not even a “poor, dumb people” thing. We are all subject to the network effect and must make continuous active effort to avoid sinking into a comfortable echo chamber. I know so many people who grew up combatting religious fundamentalism, dispatching creationist arguments with expert logical fallacy-fu, only to later fall into their own malign belief systems, losing the ability to question. Even academia, where the foundation stones of skepticism and innovative thinking were laid, has bubbles of very smart people whose working environment is being drained of heterodoxy.
For instance, why do people like going to concerts? It's $100 or more to be surrounded by a hostile crowd, probably catch COVID, certainly induce some hearing damage, have zero peace and quiet for hours, etc. None of these "costs" really stack of up course if you find going to concerts rewarding in an emotional sense. If the concert itself never moved you emotionally, it'd be very difficult to see why people would put up with all the additional externalities of the whole event.
This isn't a perfect comparison, but I hope you can see what I'm getting at.
No idea why, if anyone wants to enlighten me let me know.
Your comment reflects a very Europe-centric view of the world.
Cut off the tip of your ding dong and get to eat bacon. Or not. Easy choice. /s
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/16194-circu...
This form of genial mutilation is most often performed on babies for no reason other than perpetuating religious or cultural expectations of the parents.
Imagine if 1/3 of the world gave their babies botex or other face modifications after birth because they thought their babies looked ugly and I was on here defending the baby's rights to not be unnecessarily modified without their consent.
Then you come on here and joke about how passionate I must be about other people's faces. It's not about the faces or genitalia, it's about one's right to bodily autonomy.
Like referring to public school as "traditional education" in comparison with the implied "non-traditional" home schooling (which is the actual tradition).
I am from Europe where it isn't a thing, this table should help explain the difference in opinion in the West.
Top 5 Countries by Circumcision Rate High and Low
United States 50-60%
Indonesia >90%
Pakistan >90%
Bangladesh >90%
Egypt >90%
(European Countries with Lowest Circumcision Rates)
Finland <1%
Denmark <2%
Norway <2%
Sweden <3%
Iceland <1%
PS - it was unprofessional to add a link to a random article on reasons for circumcision, it makes you sound butthurt, no one asked or cares to discuss genital mutilation reasons. If you are interested in sharing your vague opinion and articles about it then Ill bite. Not anyone cares in this thread about my opinion on this matter (understandably) but I find it barbaric and have only pity for any man subjected to it as a child.
TLDR We were just talking about how its unheard of in western democracies outside the US
Is Ghana a western democracy or did you just toss them in for some extra bias/flair? Maybe you just had trouble staying on track with the thread which was about televangelists and didn’t mention male genitalia at all.
But it is a fair enough comment to say I should stay on track when I called you out on it too ( I edited that out as I felt it was a bit rude to comment on your attitude ).
Regarding Ghana I dont think you understood my point, I don't believe Ghana is a Western Democracy, but I do believe it has a high right of circumcision, my point is simply that noone in the West circumcises, only the USA. I guessed Ghana was a poor country with comparatively poorer and lower levels of education and GDP with a high percentage rate of circumcision and it seems I was right - its over 95%
PS - you are again being rude by suggestion I am trying to add flair to look cool. You clearly are having trouble understanding by basic point and instead guessing its because I am trying to sound cool. If you look at my account its over a decade old with barely any points on it, I dont care about upvotes.
Racists always have such a way with words.
You are now saying I was "ragging" on Ghana by stating their 94% circumcision rate, when I was just stating a statistic. But your comment does belie that you agree circumcision is bad, hence your perception its insulting to mention countries with high circumcision rates. Aleast we can put this conversation behind us now.
I'm glad we finally reached common ground.
Regarding the racism comment, I dont quite understand what circumcision has to do with racism, but if it helps I am a minority.