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Slavery ended as industrialized agriculture was taking off. While farmers are paid better now, there are a lot fewer of them.

Perhaps we will see the same with animation; there will be a few well-paid and highly-skilled artists that are automating with a bunch of AI. I doubt that will be the solution to equality though.

US and other first world countries such as S.Korea still have slave labor agriculture, it's a fact and it's still economical

It does not seem outside the bounds of reason that all the ‘in-between’ stuff gets done with AI. At that point you only still need your keyframes.

Doesn’t really make things much cheaper because the people drawing those in-between frames are already paid peanuts :/

>> If people were paid fairly, most productions would be untenable.

>A similar argument was used in favor of perpetuating slavery prior to the civil war.

I suspect the end result here will actually be fairly comparable to post-slavery agriculture, in that technology will eliminate a lot of these jobs. Tough to imagine that GenAI doesn't have an enormous impact on anime over the next few years.

>Tough to imagine that GenAI doesn't have an enormous impact on anime over the next few years.

It depends a lot on the culture there.

1) there are actual labor laws in Japan, so they can't just cut off 90% of their workforce at the snap of the finger

2) there is a much stronger culture of conformity in Japan. So it is much easier to shame a company when getting negative PR in Japan and those complaints can overcome raw profits.

Also, tech wise AI is at least 5 years out from anything animated. What I've seen in motion so far is extremely crude.

> Also, tech wise AI is at least 5 years out from anything animated. What I've seen in motion so far is extremely crude.

I... think you are overestimating that by a lot. We went from nothing to AlphaGo to ChatGPT to Midjourney et al within a few years, with the timespan between each shortening.

Yeah, the stuff Runway has been coming out with absolutely blows my mind. Can't wait to see what it looks like by the end of this year, let alone five.

How is telling people to live off donations not just an end run around your wage rules? They don't apply if you're self employed?

My wage rules? You think fairly compensated labor is just some idea I came up with?

Most of the people whom I contribute to are able to work full-time on their passions through donations and make more than they would if they were traditionally employed.

There is no such thing as a fair wage, fair is subjective and this can be debated for hours by academics.

What we have (in some countries) is: 1) Minimum wage: defined as the least amount legal to pay someone. 2) Living wage: loosely defined as the wage needed for minimum living standards for a given region 3) Market wage: What the market determines your value is worth based on supply/demand.

None of these are "fair" and they aren't usualy the same but sometimes can be.

> There is no such thing as a fair wage

Bollocks. A fair wage is a wage which is agreed upon by employee and employer, and is livable according to local cost of living. Let's not get into a semantic argument.

That's your definition of a "fair wage". The parent's point is that it's subjective and others might disagree. For instance I've seen people take the marxist position that software engineers earning 6 figures isn't "fair" because the company is making even more money from their labor and that amount is effectively being stolen from them.

It's not just my definition of fair wage, it's the insight that "fair" can only be determined by the parties involved in the transaction, providing they have adequate information such as minimum and market wages for their craft, the value created by their effort, etc.

This is the key insight that OP is missing which makes them incorrectly think that "fair" can never be determined because it is some kind of objective goal post. It's not, it's highly subjective and local.

Why are you accusing the parent poster, who mostly agrees with you, of making an argument comparable to perpetuating slavery?