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sounds like nuclear proliferation?

Sure. I believe the atomic bombs have primarily led to the long peace we enjoy today, relative to the kind of large scale total international wars that preceded their invention.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Peace

> peace we enjoy today

Perhaps you didn't read the news in the past two years..

Perhaps you didn't read the part of the parent post that says "relative to the kind of large scale total international wars that preceded [the a-bomb's] invention."

I don't think we young Western men realise how good we've had it since 1945, particularly those of us from countries not involved in Vietnam.

Asian men didn't have it good. The Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian, still have unexploded USA bombs on their territories. African and South American men didn't either.

It seems nuclear weapons only allowed one side of the world to bully the rest.

First your point was about Ukraine, now you're on US atrocities Latin America and SE Asia. Yeah, the US did that. I don't think they needed nuclear weapons to do it. I don't know what point you're trying to make.

That the world hasn't enjoyed peace at all. The West just relocated its wars somewhere else.

But the war you referred to first is in Europe, is many orders of magnitude smaller than pre-1945 wars, and it was (for simplicity's sake) the 'West' being attacked?

Better to proliferate than let a maniacal despot with a monthly habit of declaring his intent to enslave a thriving liberal democracy from being the only one with power.

That country was not a "thriving liberal democracy". Unless you count nazi militias as democratic and liberal nowadays.

If it werent for the specific nationality the neonazis were shooting at, the water connected alliance would bomb them for being nazis instead.

I was talking about Taiwan. I honestly have no idea to what you’re alluding.

LOL. I avoided downvoting the OP because it did not mention any countries, and could easily be applied to any of the great powers, including the U.S. So it stands as a neutral argument for proliferation (ignoring the later clarification).

Oh nvm.

I agree that Ukraine was not a thriving liberal democracy, it was an infant democracy trying to shake out a corruption infested political class. The issue was not nazi militias, that's Russia's propaganda.

Because if nazi militias is your main point of contention I'd need to point you towards the USA for you to take a look as well... Not a thriving democracy either?

The neonazi militias in the US is a consequence of the 2nd amendment thing, right? And I guess they don't actually do anything. There is some "Socialist Rifle Militia" to if I remember correctly.

However, my point is that having a non-trivial amount of active fascist militias doing things with the support of the gov., alone makes a country not a liberal democracy.

But OP seems to have meant another country ...

We can't let ourselves have mineshaft gap. Like in Dr Strangelove.

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