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Why would they when they haven't done so on android ? You have what, 2 apps that have done so, one not even fully (kindle) just removing the in app sales if installed from the store, and the other one (Fortnite) not because it makes sense for immediate sales but as a point for their lawsuit.

That's the argument I never understood about "I like the walled garden", people who want opening like I do are not against it, nor against a controller, they're against a closed down device you don't control at all, and using it to abuse your position (which I consider forcing your own payment gateway only to be).

Apple is free to still offer its own environment, they will do so, and it will remain the main (by far) choice of most users, as experience as shown. Just like Windows N was about to force Microsoft to decouple its OS, not do make people actively use the version without media player or internet explorer.

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There's such a chicken little 'the sky is falling' mentality about the walled gardeners. This is a particularly weird & egregious bundle of Fear Uncertainty and Doubt this time:

> will immediately pull their apps from the app store to get around Apple's privacy and security permissions which allow granular control

Permissions work fine on Android, no matter where the code is downloaded from. There's some minor variances (the beloved termux for example can't meet app store requirements) but sandboxing is still intact too.

The platform itself maintains a lot of protections, regardless of how apps are loaded.

How do permissions work on Android? I can allow permission to select photos or all photos on Apple. Location while using the app, all the time and never.

I am genuinely asking this question. I can imagine FB would love access to all my comtacts, photos, location etc. Idk how it works on Android and if this occurs?

These are API level security features. Apple is conflating these two issues for their benefit.

iOS is an incredibly secure platform mostly due to OS level security and carefully considered privacy in iOS libraries. Much of the benefit of the App Store is reducing spam and some data tracking, in addition to developer level features for IAP, subscriptions, and marketing.

I do appreciate much of what the App Store offers but has been exceedingly slow to update the review system, which has plagued developers for over a decade with inconsistencies and poor communication. I'm hopeful the increased competition will encourage some improvements on that front.

Unless they really break it on purpose, you would have the same permission choice when installing from third party sources.

On android, the permission needed in the store doesn't mean I can't revoke any of them after the fact, or revoke one and not the other, and if an app install from outside sources they still need the permission request to be granted.

Also on android permissions are not requested at install time but when actually needed. Not sure if ios does the same. So regardless where an app is installed from (or sideloaded etc) the moment it will require access to photos an OS popup shows up asking for permission for this time only or always.

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