> brand popped up and offered a gasoline ICE with old toyota-level reliability and longevity, and without electronics
Bought that car last year for about 20K - Kia Rio 5 door. Wonderful little car.
Bought that car last year for about 20K - Kia Rio 5 door. Wonderful little car.
Edit: I forgot but I have some bad news, Kia is probably killing the Rio so you might be out of luck. Makes sense as the dealerships heavily promote the Forte and barely stock any Rios. The salespeople were a little surprised we loved the Rio so much, I think it's just too small for most Americans.
No complaints on the Kia Carnival I got.
You missed a very important bit: 'old toyota-level reliability and longevity' ;)