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This was what I came to comment. Very strange.

This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-r... says "the RTX 4070 Ti Super is up to 10% faster than the non-Super 4070 Ti on average"

So, on average, up to 10% faster, yeah seems pretty incremental.

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The big difference with the 4070 Ti Super is that it's using the AD103 chip (with a full 256-bit memory bus and 16GB of VRAM) found in the 4080, which is a huge leap over the AD104 chip found in the 4070 Ti (non-Super), which only touts a 192-bit memory bus and 12GB of VRAM.

While the TFLOPS of the Super variant does only see a ~10% increase as you note, memory bandwidth jumps by 42% and the memory capacity jumps by 33%, while the launch price is the same in my currency.

It basically bridges half the distance between a 4070 Ti (non-Super) and a 4080 (non-Super) for the same launch price as a 4070 Ti (non-Super).

Great card for memory intensive workloads like LLM inference with big context windows, IMO.

EDIT1: 4070 Ti Super TDP is 320W (same as 4080), higher than the anticipated 285W

EDIT2: launch price confirmed to be same as the 4070 Ti (non-Super), lower than anticipated!

Appreciate the extra insight here! I hope for the sake of purchasers it is only 12% cost increase, but I have a suspicion if there's more than 12% extra value, we'll see it in the price

Just checked the CES announcement and updated my post to reflect that it actually has the same launch price that the 4070 Ti (non-Super) had! Amazing bargain!

Not only that, the RTX 4070 Ti Super gets near the same performance as the RTX 4080 non Super for $400 less. But that's MSRP. I have a feeling this card will be selling for a lot more than that.

For running AI models etc the 4070ti is the best value of the bunch by far. Memory size and bandwidth are the most important things in that order (which makes the 4050, er, 4060ti 16GB a weak card)

Ergo, there's a decent chance it won't sell for MSRP.

Cheers, the 4070 TI certainly hits a certain sweet spot for sure.

I got a 4090 a few months ago before the prices increased, and I'm beyond stoked with the performance for (typically triple qhd simulation) gaming. It's just a beast.

I have a 2nd PC I'd like to upgrade too though, and the 4070 TI looks like it would be fantastic in this.

It sure would be nice if Nvidia just named the new card 4075 or something. The whole 4070 vs 4070 Super vs 4070 Ti vs 4070 Ti Super naming scheme sucks.

Which is what the Super cards usually are. A minor 'mid cycle' refresh/improvement on cards, moving better components down the line to cheaper cards.

But yes, very weird that none of the comparions actually show them!.

It's not weird at all. Those cards aren't meant as next buy for owners of non-Super 40xx cards. Cards are compared with cards that potential buyers currently have.

To me it's a bit strange because it assumes a buy / not buy perspective rather than a buy this / buy that perspective.

Welcome to PC hardware. People rarely switch camps or price tier. People who have 4070 today are the people who had 1070/2070/3070.

Rather 1080/2080/3080 with current prices.

Well, 1080/2080/3080 go to 2080/3080/4080 and 1070/2070/3070 go to 2070/3070/4070 and so on. Even though, Nvidia shifted their tiers a bit.

Not everyone is buying the best and latest. Plenty of people wait for previous gens to drop in prices or enter the secondary market.

Can that really be true? I figure most people just stick with whatever they have then buy the best thing in their means when the old one gets too slow for their needs. I can't imagine upgrading from 1070 to 2070, in fact right now most people that I know who are considering upgrading are on the 900 series

> I can't imagine upgrading from 1070 to 2070

You're not getting what I'm saying - people stay in the same tier when they upgrade. They might do every generation, every other generation, skip every two generations, but the point is that people who have xx70 (or xx80) will buy xx70 (or xx80) from a newer generation.

10xx to 20xx upgrade made little sense to most gamers because RTX was a thing you turn on, look at pretty reflections and turn off to regain the performance. 10xx generation was a weird generation for NVIDIA and doubt they would make such a consumer friendly generation ever again.

Im holding out for the "the RTX 6090 Ti Super MAX XXXtreme 197Hz Mr. Manager"

Ive a lot of AMd Nvidia machines - two high-end gaming machines.. the naming conventions of Nvidia cards are just odd to me and I can tell what anything actually means..

Super means more. What is xtxxtt in AMD language?

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