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> All three GeForce RTX 40 SUPER Series GPUs are faster than their predecessors

It's weird that they're only comparing the new cards to the RTX 30's and 20's, and not the "v1" 40's. I assume the 4080 SUPER is faster than the 4080 (based on name?) but it seems cheaper and there's absolutely no comparison data

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This was what I came to comment. Very strange.

This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-r... says "the RTX 4070 Ti Super is up to 10% faster than the non-Super 4070 Ti on average"

So, on average, up to 10% faster, yeah seems pretty incremental.

The big difference with the 4070 Ti Super is that it's using the AD103 chip (with a full 256-bit memory bus and 16GB of VRAM) found in the 4080, which is a huge leap over the AD104 chip found in the 4070 Ti (non-Super), which only touts a 192-bit memory bus and 12GB of VRAM.

While the TFLOPS of the Super variant does only see a ~10% increase as you note, memory bandwidth jumps by 42% and the memory capacity jumps by 33%, while the launch price is the same in my currency.

It basically bridges half the distance between a 4070 Ti (non-Super) and a 4080 (non-Super) for the same launch price as a 4070 Ti (non-Super).

Great card for memory intensive workloads like LLM inference with big context windows, IMO.

EDIT1: 4070 Ti Super TDP is 320W (same as 4080), higher than the anticipated 285W

EDIT2: launch price confirmed to be same as the 4070 Ti (non-Super), lower than anticipated!

Appreciate the extra insight here! I hope for the sake of purchasers it is only 12% cost increase, but I have a suspicion if there's more than 12% extra value, we'll see it in the price

Just checked the CES announcement and updated my post to reflect that it actually has the same launch price that the 4070 Ti (non-Super) had! Amazing bargain!

Not only that, the RTX 4070 Ti Super gets near the same performance as the RTX 4080 non Super for $400 less. But that's MSRP. I have a feeling this card will be selling for a lot more than that.

For running AI models etc the 4070ti is the best value of the bunch by far. Memory size and bandwidth are the most important things in that order (which makes the 4050, er, 4060ti 16GB a weak card)

Ergo, there's a decent chance it won't sell for MSRP.

Cheers, the 4070 TI certainly hits a certain sweet spot for sure.

I got a 4090 a few months ago before the prices increased, and I'm beyond stoked with the performance for (typically triple qhd simulation) gaming. It's just a beast.

I have a 2nd PC I'd like to upgrade too though, and the 4070 TI looks like it would be fantastic in this.

It sure would be nice if Nvidia just named the new card 4075 or something. The whole 4070 vs 4070 Super vs 4070 Ti vs 4070 Ti Super naming scheme sucks.

Which is what the Super cards usually are. A minor 'mid cycle' refresh/improvement on cards, moving better components down the line to cheaper cards.

But yes, very weird that none of the comparions actually show them!.

It's not weird at all. Those cards aren't meant as next buy for owners of non-Super 40xx cards. Cards are compared with cards that potential buyers currently have.

To me it's a bit strange because it assumes a buy / not buy perspective rather than a buy this / buy that perspective.

Welcome to PC hardware. People rarely switch camps or price tier. People who have 4070 today are the people who had 1070/2070/3070.

Rather 1080/2080/3080 with current prices.

Well, 1080/2080/3080 go to 2080/3080/4080 and 1070/2070/3070 go to 2070/3070/4070 and so on. Even though, Nvidia shifted their tiers a bit.

Not everyone is buying the best and latest. Plenty of people wait for previous gens to drop in prices or enter the secondary market.

Can that really be true? I figure most people just stick with whatever they have then buy the best thing in their means when the old one gets too slow for their needs. I can't imagine upgrading from 1070 to 2070, in fact right now most people that I know who are considering upgrading are on the 900 series

> I can't imagine upgrading from 1070 to 2070

You're not getting what I'm saying - people stay in the same tier when they upgrade. They might do every generation, every other generation, skip every two generations, but the point is that people who have xx70 (or xx80) will buy xx70 (or xx80) from a newer generation.

10xx to 20xx upgrade made little sense to most gamers because RTX was a thing you turn on, look at pretty reflections and turn off to regain the performance. 10xx generation was a weird generation for NVIDIA and doubt they would make such a consumer friendly generation ever again.

Im holding out for the "the RTX 6090 Ti Super MAX XXXtreme 197Hz Mr. Manager"

Ive a lot of AMd Nvidia machines - two high-end gaming machines.. the naming conventions of Nvidia cards are just odd to me and I can tell what anything actually means..

Super means more. What is xtxxtt in AMD language?

They’re trying to sell to me, the owner of a fully orphaned 3070 with a measly 8GB of vram. Not a current 40 series owner.

What does orphaned mean in this context?

The two parent 2080s were lost in a tragic cryptocurrency mining accident when the bitcoin ceiling collapsed.

Please send donations to the Aboveground Miners fund in your choice of shitcoin.

I get that it's supposed to be funny, but I wonder how many people still think bitcoin mining happens on GPUs, particularly Nvidia ones. Pretty sure that stopped being the case like 14 years ago or something? Anyway...

ASICs didn’t really take over until around 2013 (I was designing some PCBs for one of the first ASICs in 2012)

Litecoin and Doge and Ethereum were mined on GPUs throughout that period. And in fact all the other coins are tied to bitcoin in the first place, bitcoin price runs also trigger huge mining booms in everything else, so yeah, it's kinda understandable that people tend to view them as a single linked thing, because they kinda are.

What, precisely, is the point of making "actually you mean crypto, not bitcoin" posts, other than demonstrating that you are, indeed, "very smart"? Like, this person doesn't even exist, it's just a "heh aren't those no-coiners dumb" strawperson that you imagine to be some big dummy.

All tokens are effectively "slaved" to the BTC tokens due to paper thin real liquidity of all of them. Therefore GPUs were very much affected by the BTC volatility, just via proxy, and likely still are. It should be obvious really for anyone.

Less desirable because vram has become more important.

Most people don’t upgrade to the same generation super card.

Most people upgrade from a 10, 20 or less so 30 series card.

They are selling upgrades to older generations.

But everybody who is upgrading is trying to figure out which card to upgrade to, and are doing comparisons between the current gen cards, not between their old card and the new ones.

It is likely that there will be no choice between Super and non-Super.

At least 4070 Ti and 4080 have become completely obsolete when their Super variants are much better, and in the case of 4080 Super, even cheaper too.

I suppose that they have stopped producing the non-Super variants, as nobody would want those where the Super cards are available.

I am still using a 2060 Super from 2019, and the same has happened in that year when the RTX 2000 Super series has replaced the previous RTX 2000 series.

I think people shop based on, have card A and get X fps and I can get Y fps with card B.

Card A is old, and card B is new.

The availability of original and super cards that compete in the same price point will be very short, and most people won’t really have that choice.

This stands out like a sore thumb for anyone even taking a glance at the graphs. Who there thought this was a good idea? Now I think the Supers are just going to be 10% faster while drawing 30% more power or something else hacky and desperate-seeming.

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