This belief is hard to reconcile with the Cruise threads. What you’re actually seeing is that other companies aren’t hyping their technology so far in advance of its actual capabilities. If Toyota sold “full self driving” as an expensive add-on and failed to ship it over the time most people owned the vehicle, you’d see plenty of ragging on them, too.

The contrast is especially noticeable when you look at what the market leaders are doing. Waymo owns their vehicles fully and isn’t claiming they’re suitable for general use everywhere, every time. Mercedes has an L3 system far in advance of Tesla but they only offer it in certain conditions and back it with insurance. If Tesla’s product was where their marketing claims it is, they’d do the same.

I dunno man. In my experience, the community of people who are very very very unhappy with Elon is far larger than just HN.