With all of this, I still don’t understand how Tesla manages to sell any cars, let alone 1.8M cars in 2023.
They're all bad. There's a whole scene in the Fight Club movie where they explain every car company will refuse to fix a deadly problem unless they calculate the lawsuits will cost them more than the fix, and I believe it.
Lexus/Toyota being the most reliable.
Tesla is middle of the pack at #14 and some surprises (branding?) include Volvo at position 25.
Source: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
This is my second X5 G05, and this one is definitely of lower quality than the first. Removed bits here/there, replaced aluminium parts inside with coated plastic, replaced leather with synthetic-like thing and plenty of other cost cutting markers.
Don't tell me 'oh don't buy another one' as demonstrated by this article (and others), they all do it to pretty much the same degree, all you can hope is not to run out of warranty before something mind bogglingly expensive breaks.
I found it really sad to see that Mini (owned by BMW) and BMW are pushing hard on run-flats. Hard NOPE from me, as I drive a good amount in fairly rural areas, and driving 50mi from a random point (the flat-driving range spec of a run-flat tire) still leaves me at a random point with no service. And the quality is just gone way down, as you've noted. Too bad.
> According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Ford issued 55 safety recalls in 2023, down from 67 last year. The repair campaigns affected 5.9 million vehicles, down from 8.6 million in 2022, which put the automaker in second place for the total number of vehicles recalled. Honda’s 19 recalls affected 6.3 million cars.
> Chrysler issued the second-highest number of recalls, at 45. Kia came in third for the total number of recalled cars, with more than 3 million affected by its 20 repair campaigns.
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/in-2023-ford-again-led-nation-i...
How many of those did you see reported on HN?
And many of Tesla's recalls are OTA updates, and even software update recalls show up on HN.
* their charging infrastructure is by far the best. Regardless of coverage, their chargers are typically in working condition.
* they actually put enough power in their powertrain. No dinky, slow cars. Fast, powerful cars. They’re fun to drive when you want them to be fun.
* technology.
Slobs, no. Specialized to a degree you can’t imagine, yes.
Tesla hires PHDs, normal OEs will hire kids out of a few MI or IL schools, train them, and then put them in 200 person teams.
There is a guy that does nothing but dog light mounting on 4 models of vehicles.
That is not how Tesla works.
But yes, this hyperspecialization is the main reason I didn't fo to automotive. Benefit of mounting the same light so, the guy doesn't mount it in a way that doesn't light the intended area or causes cable fires.
People at OEs made fun of them for this. For awhile.
- Tesla almost went under due attempted over-automation
- Tesla had to resort to rework cars in tents after they left the assembly line with serious quality issues
- Teslas are among the worst built cars according to technical inspection numbers
- Tesla installed touchscreens not rated for environment or use case
- Tesal still has reliably figured out how to install hod and trunks
- Tesla still doesn't know how to keep water out of the interior of their cars
I am inclined to say those PhDs were right. Not that redicule is something to level against your competition, but hiring PhDs to built cars who never did so is just a bad idea.
And believe it or not, I want Tesla to make good cars that don't pose a hazard for various reasons. And I think one of the sadest things about Tesla is all the stupid, ignorant mistakes they made, all easily avoidable. Just image where they could be now, if it wasn't for all those sheninigans. I hate to see it, when people and companies blow opportunities that are once in a, heck multiple, lifetimes.
Price, range, charging speed & reliability, performance and software.
It’s pretty obvious at this point with the entire auto indistry switching to NACS that Tesla won.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/jee...
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/honda-crv-recall-2023-rust-...
Edit:
From your own links:
>> Jeep Grand Cherokee SUVs Recalled Because Suspension Parts Might Fall Off
Might =|= did fall off, pro-active =|= waitimg for four years until being forced to do a recall
>> Honda is recalling nearly 564,000 of its older model CR-V sport utility vehicles because road salt can cause the frame to rust and rear suspension parts to come loose.
Emphasis on older, rust and can cause -> recalled before suspension parts broke, and definitely not on brand new cars
>> Subaru is recalling nearly 875,000 cars and SUVs in the U.S. because the engines can stall or a rear suspension part can fall off.
Again, can, and not did fall off.
Sometimes it seems reading comprehension, or the lack thereof is directly linked to technical understanding, or again lack thereof.
Carmakers often know of issues for years prior to a formal recall. This is standard.
Do you mean GM or Honda?
> On September 17, 2015, General Motors entered into a Deferred Prosecution Agreement with the United States Department of Justice, in which GM admitted that "from in or about the spring of 2012 through in or about February 2014, GM failed to disclose a deadly safety defect to its U.S. regulator ... It also falsely represented to consumers that vehicles containing the defect posed no safety concern."[5] As part of the Deferred Prosecution Agreement, GM agreed to forfeit $900 million to the United States.[5][51] GM gave $600 million in compensation to surviving victims of accidents caused by faulty ignition switches.[52][53]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch....
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/business/air-bag-flaw-lon...
Or one of the dozens of carmakers that hid faults that resulted in actual deaths?
I can Google all day and find dozens of such issues with other automakers, but you seem hell bent on hating on Tesla so nothing will change your mind.
Cars are recalled because a part might fail during operation, worst case that risk is found once the part did fail.
Only a bunch of incompetent frauds would:
a) ignore their own data and wait four years to recall, and then only in one market
b) need years to find a solution, as it seems, still isn't good enough
c) issue a policy to blame these failing parts, well known and identified internally, on their customers
You might want to study the issues with the non-tesla fast chargers in the United States to see what customers really care about.
These issues with Tesla aren't recent, they've been talked about for a decade at least.