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> even stretching into Wyoming politics where hunters are using electronic calls to lure them back across the border for hunting

I think there's an argument to be made if the hunting method extends into the state where it's illegal (sounds waves traveling) then you're in violation of that state, since the lil would not have happened if the hunting method didn't traverse state lines.

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Enforcement is perfectly impossible. Source: lived in Wyoming.

It’s hard, not impossible. We need enforcement like we enforce endangered rhinos in Kenya from poachers.

I have a sound localization project that can help with that

https://github.com/hcfman/sbts-aru

You need to be able to hear the sound from three or more recorders. And normally localization is better within the polygon of microphones but there’s an area of better localizability extending outside of a vertex.

Do we really? Elk herds are fine. Seems like a waste of resources to have rhino-like enforcement for elk. Colorado has almost 300,000 elk.

I believe the previous poster meant that the wolves should have the rhino-like protections.

Spend a significant amount of time in the state and get back to me about what's possible. I'll wait. Note you're talking about an area only slightly smaller than New Zealand with roughly identical population numbers to Santa Barbara County, 1 third of whom are either students at UWyo or migrating roughnecks with no dog in that fight. Ignoring the handful of millionaires clustered around Jackson Hole the rest of the population of the state are (taken in aggregate) heavily armed and utterly disinterested in the federal government's position on anything. You send a handful of well-intentioned game wardens from out of state into that mess and you're gonna have folks start disappearing.

I don't know how that would work or if there's any precedent for that. Generally states enter into agreements and different laws about enforcement. Or they sue each other in federal court (eg cannabis issues recently).

I guess a precedent would be noise pollution laws. You can create sound waves on your own property but be prosecuted for their effects outside of it

To my knowledge that doesn't extend across state lines. I wanted to see precedent of someone doing something in one state and being criminally prosecuted for that act in a different state.

As a counter example, it's extremely common for people to hunt (or fish) on the legal side of boundaries with a restricted area using calls (or scents, bait, chum) to lure game to the area they can legally be in.

Any case law for shooting a bullet across state lines and hitting someone?

I assume you would still run into jurisdiction issues If it is legal to call in Wyoming, and the hunter is in Wyoming.

Disagree. I'm vegan and anti-hunting, but I don't think states should be able to enforce their laws outside of their states. That would lead to some real crazy stuff.

Any sort of cross border crime is regulated by the feds. Like if you steal a car and drive across the state border, it becomes a state offense. The feds could make cross border hunting illegal as well, but they would have to put in resources to enforce it.

> if you steal a car and drive across the state border, it becomes a state offense

Tiny nitpick: Did you mean to say "it becomes a federal offense"?

Yes.

Right. Colorado law should not be enforced in Wyoming. An animal call in Wyoming isn't hunting in Colorado.

I was also vegan for years, but not anti-hunting. While not a vegan today, my meat consumption is down by ~98% from childhood. Why are you anti-hunting? Usually, hunters are strong environmentalists. Plus, they are taking animals from their natural habit, instead of crowded feed lots.

I haven’t found it to be the case that hunters are environmentalists except for some post hoc rationalization. It really just reduces to a hobby of killing animals at least with anyone I ever hunted with in my teens. And they were all right wing Texans, definitely not anyone who would sign on as an “environmentalist” except when in cases where they can glamorize their hobby.

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