My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.
That one of the tricks Tesla is figuring out is how to cook the books on these figures.
I drive an ICE Subaru, and I love it. But some friends visited and didn’t tighten the gas cap once, which put the infotainment system into a fit, which put a bunch of other systems into a conniption, systems totally unrelated like ABS. (?!) The issue persisted across restarts and ultimately required servicing.
How was this recorded? User error. In part because there is a dealership between me and the manufacturer that is responsible for servicing the vehicle.
I wouldn’t have linked the two had the dealership not told me that was what caused it.
Also dealerships not having a clue is not rare either. Many garages these days only connect a computer to the diagnostics port, download whatever error codes are shown and tell the shocked driver that half of their car is kaputt with the repair likely going to be several thousands of euro.
All the while the real problem is a blown fuse for one of the control units or a wire has chaffed and broke somewhere - and the diagnostic codes come only because the ECU can't talk to some sensors because part of the vehicle's CAN bus is down.
To me, the car broke. Plainly and simply. And had Tesla had a similar fuckup, I don’t think they’d find sympathy. (Reasonably.) That’s something that comes with a longevity.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38762366
[2] https://www.subaruoutback.org/threads/loose-gas-cap-causes-e...
Yes it should be better documented. I ran into this as well on my Subaru, but once the cap is on proper it -should- turn off within ~1hr of driving (constant or short trips)
To wit; if you don't put AdBlue in a diesel it will eventually outright stop working altogether even though it's only there for emissions.
This is clearly BS, since it was either coincidence or an electrical/systems problem. The shamelessness of making that claim that is incredible.
Some might question that this could be an electrical or systems problem, but the gas cap on my Kia, a relatively flimsy piece of plastic, will disable the car if not replaced properly. How does this manifest itself? With a check engine light on the dash.
This is the most stupendously idiotic misfeature in an otherwise well designed (and reliable) car.
ex. my current car had an intermittent O2 sensor issue, which would turn the traction control in lazy mode and try to kill me in snow/ice conditions by reenabling itself at the worst possible moment when detecting slippery conditions. My previous car had traction controls completely independent from engine faults.
Now, granted, my Subaru has a wonderfully designed interior, doesn't require using a touchscreen, has consistent panel gaps, etc...
Basic stuff, impossible for Volkswagen.
EDIT: I agree with the replies that say this should be handled by CarPlay/Android Auto. In which case I’d like my cars software to support that well.
EDIT2: Oh and there has to be an api where the car shares charge state and range estimates with my phone, such that my phone can plan a route around charge stops.
The interface feels smooth as a tablet, and I don't think they've done too many weird customizations. Overall quite pleased.
[1]: https://9to5google.com/2021/09/06/android-automotive-renault...
Unlike Spotify, car radio does not need subscription nor account.
I wouldn't want to have to setups accounts in my car. Also you don't necessarily want the persons who borrow your car to know everythings about you including every single place you have marked as favorite.
The builtin infotainment system is usually just a second thought that exist just to showcase something in the showroom and setup android auto at first use.
Confirmed. Friends in the car maintenance business have witnessed for years a quality fall (materials etc).
"Infotainment", I hope I will not have the experience (apart maybe from removing some), but my last car was the first one with a sound system that hissed.
At a polar opposite, I'm reminded of the wonder of walking across the Brooklyn bridge and thinking, "they don't make them like this anymore".
Althought we did learn a lot about the affects of pressure on the human body which is cool.
Aka petrol/diesel
Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car.
> Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car.
Thank god the existing manufacturers have this nailed down, like Toyota[0], Dodge [1], Ford[2], Mazda[3], or even high end manufacturers like Lamborghini[4].
[0]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota-recalls-new-ev-over-risk...
[1]: https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/dodge-ram-trucks-recalle...
[2]: https://www.thedrive.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-raptors-recall...
[3]: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/nation-world/2019/07/03/...
[4]: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/lamborghini-aventador-sv-...
Tesla = would fall off
Tesla = you talking out of your ass
Model 3s are not luxury vehicles. By feature set, positioning or price point.
Teslas are priced as luxury cars but they aren't luxury cars. They have strong selling points, like the amazing battery compared to other EVs or their looks (I do find the Model S very nice / sleek) but the quality of the interior/materials and sound proofing simply isn't there, not by a mile.
Here's a list, for example, of some actual luxury cars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-segment
I was highly disappointed when I went in a Model S: I'm used to actual luxury cars and I simply don't know how to put it nicely: to me a Model S is a complete rip off price-wise.
I'd urge anyone thinking that Tesla is luxury to go in a Mercedes dealership and sit in a class S or go to a Porsche dealership and sit in a Panamera (or in the Taycan 100% EV). That is luxury.
FWIW the Tesla Model S and Porsche Panamera (for example) entry models begin at the same price so it's not apple and orange comparison: that's why I say Tesla is sold as luxury, at the price of luxury, but is not luxury.