Tesla blamed drivers for failures of parts it long knew were defective

This is clearly a failure of regulation. None of this should be allowed.

The battery life and charging experience are perfect, and the car settings on single screen are also very easy. The app experience is also good, and I use the sentry function often.

So if I choose something else, maybe I’ll miss these too? As for safety issues, I think reversing is just ridiculous and annoying sound engineer (maybe because I am expert at music technology) but it has no safety concerns and can be fixed by firmware. for the autopilot issue, I just try not to use cruising as much as possible.

The waiting time is also the reason why I did not choose Volvo XC40 recharge.

It applies the brakes automatically when you are within about 6 inches of an obstacle and moving towards it. Often false-fires when parallel parking in tight quarters or reversing with a bike rack attached.

This is a different, ultrasound-based system that had been on cars for about a decade now. It has limited range.

Not to be confused with the newer autonomous emergency braking systems that are radar-based(believe mm-wave radar) that has range more appropriate for road and highway speeds but has the limitation of not being able to differentiate stationary objects from terrain.

But yeah it's a hard choice. no car is perfect, at least Tesla is easier to sell as used car

- ioniq 5 has a terrible bug on its turning signal; it often automatically turns off at wrong points. since I use it so often, it's so annoying.

- ioniq 5 has no rear wiper, which makes it super dangerous to drive on snowy/rainy days. the air dynamics just cannot remove the water or snow on the rear window.

- another deal breaker is the driving experience, the car is harder to control than Tesla. at every turn I feel uncomfortable.

These three points bother me every minute I drive it.

and it's even more expensive than Model Y. :)

I forget to mention this: it tries to "punish" me by disabling the function if I don't put my hands there. But the fact is that I put my hand there all the time and Tesla is just too stupid to detect it...

Model 3 MY 2024 even cancelled the stalk, which is a terrible idea for roundabout .

I also feel that ioniq 5 makes too many warning sounds during driving. most of these warnings are actually unnecessary.

When it gives you the 2 handed graphic to take control that's more of an alarm it's because the in vehicle camera can see you're not looking at the road for an extended period of time. It did that to me one time when I was sending a text while stopped in a traffic jam.

The 2nd warning is really annoying and unclear about the level of force needed.

Also test drove an Ioniq 5 and we liked it a lot too. Definitely the top competitor from what we saw. Every other vehicle that approaches the features of the Tesla that we saw costs a crazy amount of money.

As a dev this reads as them purposely hiding the Disney+ app instead of uninstalling it, but forgot about the URL scheme.

What’s happening in the video is, the now well known behavior, of a website opening its app when it detects its visited by a supported platform.

Most OSs will automatically unhide an app icon when a hidden app is opened to give the user a reference point of the app they’re using.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/tesla-again-thre...

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-blacklist.2484...

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-remotely-removes-autopilot-featur...

Considering they have the ability to remotely disable the car, they can make good on their threats, even with dubious legal standing.

Popularity has never been an indication of anything.

Is there any mass-market car that doesn't meet this bar (110k with no work other than basic maintenance)? Sometimes one model year of some random car will have a really bad engineering problem that gets recalled, but this seems like the minimum expected.

When I shopped around for an EV, I couldn’t find any compelling reason to get one over other models (e.g. Hyundai, BMW, Kia, Ford, etc.). The only two advantages I could find were a) simply the status of owning one, and b) the charging infrastructure. Build quality, features, and price were all better vs. Tesla.

Re: status, I think they’re currently still selling because at one point, you drew a ton of attention for owning one since there were so few on the road.

Nowadays, most anyone can afford one, and they still consider it a status symbol.

But as they become more commonplace and people start to see the build problems, and as EV production starts to ramp up and the gap in price between EVs and ICE vehicles narrows, I feel like Tesla will start to lose ground to the competition that has years of experience in making high quality and reliable vehicles, and the status of owning one will fade.

Re: infrastructure, this is already shifting considerably given the adoption of NACS, and even the Magic Dock being rolled out to allow CCS on Superchargers.

FSD beta I use everyday, but it is still not feature complete with what was promised “within a year”

The bottom of the car is literal cardboard, held on by plastic versions of rivnuts. They come out really easy and then the bottom is scraping in the ground. I had to get it replaced after driving through a shallow puddle (<1”) in the rain on the highway which splashed into the undercarriage. It happened a second time back in 2022 and it has since been ‘fixed’ by putting duct tape around the edges and over the plastic bolts. This is a known defect which Tesla corrected on newer models.

My control arm bearing failed at 4-years. As I was sitting at the dealership waiting for it to be failed, two other cars drove past making the same exact noise. Looking it up online it is another known early failure.

All that said, I’ve still spent less on it than maintenance in any other car. The frustration is just being told stupid shit like ‘don’t drive through puddles’.

No, because banks are regulated and insured. If your bank fails, you’ll get your money back. As the article you’re commenting on describes, if your Tesla fails there’s a good chance you’ll be asked to pay out of pocket to fix their problems.

People shouldn't dig the manual for this info.

And use miles per gallon for fuel economy...

Sounds pretty similar to me.

Regarding range, pretty much any EV with a comparable battery pack (kWh-wise) is a peer. And there’s plenty of those now.

FTA: "In July, the news agency revealed how Tesla had created a secret team to suppress thousands of customer complaints about poor driving range. The report, which found that Tesla rigged an algorithm to inflate its cars’ in-dash range estimates, sparked a federal investigation."

Well you said it yourself, it's the margins. I guess we can blame people then for paying those margins, buying those huge, gas-guzzling SUVs.

Meanwhile Tesla releases a huge (albeit not gas-guzzling in the traditional sense of course) pickup truck. (Whether it's high margin I have no idea.)

BMW Group produced 2,399,632 vehicles in 2022 (a decrease of 4,5% from 2021) with 2,100,689 being BMW's themselves.

Tesla produced 1,369,611 vehicles in 2022.

Not even sure where you heard that Tesla produced more cars than BMW.

bmw sold >2million cars in 2022, compared to tesla's 4.2million since 2008.

My family waited for 2 years on a Lada in the 1980s.

The prices for vehicles from the other makes are absolutely insane for anything comparable.

I really, really like the design of the F-150 Lightning. If I could get it with 300 miles of range, rapidly recharge it on a trip and get it used for somewhere in the $40-60k range I'd probably get one.

As it stands, it's closer to 200 miles of range for $80-90k without the ability to rapid recharge (that I have seen).

Potential is there, but efficiency of production is not. Especially when they're publicly saying they still lose thousands on each one sold.

How are _you_ defining best?

I do not own one, because I do not agree. They may have one of the best selling cars (in a given category), which is admirable. But that doesn’t mean they are the best overall.

After driving one (Model 3) as a rental, I briefly considered getting one. But after thinking about it, I realized that was because I liked their (to me) gimmicks. Overall, the vehicle was not the best to me.

Getting into it was a downer. I disliked the interior or rather the lack of it so much. Driving it exceeded all my expectations though. At that point it was the best EV, and one of the best cars on the street. Revolutionary indeed.

So, I can see how it could be seen as the best car for many people. Me? I’ll take an E-Tron, or a Taycan over a Tesla any day. I myself drive a KIA, and I much prefer it over the comparable Model 3.

And that’s before taking reliability into consideration.

Thats not fully correct, a second check is much cheaper then the first one, and it's not super unusual to get it checked by tüv to see what you really need to repair.

For which magazine, tesla was such a drag on defects that it brought down the entire EV category

I'd argue Tesla min/maxed aspects of their product that gave them a initial strong lead in product space. Quintessentially performance/distance/charger-availability, but also some aspects of their tech really stood out like the touchscreen performance and mobile integration (relative to what other cars had in the mid 2010s.

IMO that initial lead has diminished. Other brands are catching up and do better in terms of some aspects of quality control and now reputation. If this trend continues I think we could see Tesla losing in most metrics, although we still probably have a good chunk of time until that happens.

If I had to buy an electric car today Tesla would still be one of the first cars I researched. Maybe Tesla would win. But in a few years I wholly expect another brand would win out.

That is a little harsh, according to that recent Consumer Reports study Tesla is middle of the pack on reliability. At least according to Ars' take on the data, they build a quite good powertrain it is the rest of the car they haven't gotten good at yet.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/11/evs-have-79-more-reliab...