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Maybe because the discussion is not of very high quality? Look how many downvotes there are already, it is an emotional topic and yes, even here people are having problems with maintaining a civil debate about a controversial topic. And others don't want all that flame war here, so they flag it, simple as that.

The mechanism of downvoting is supposed to remove low quality posts. If someone if uncivil, downvote or flag them. Soon enough they'll get the hint or be warned.

> others don't want all that flame war here

That doesn't make sense. If you don't want to participate, then ignore the post. actively preventing others participating is something else - I think "censor" is more appropriate in that case.

Well, the space on the front page is limited. And there are lots of other controversial topics - potentially taking all the space.

And some want only technical topics or mainly technical. So "curating" is more appropriate I think.

(But personally I did participate ... so much that I am rate limited again)

the front page isn't limited. Hit "next" and you see as many more posts as you like. Most front-page posts are tech related, we are far from being overrun with controversial posts.

It is not the frontpage by definition anymore, if one has to click "next" ..

No, but what does that matter?

There was a post upvoted highly at the beginning of this current war, by scholar opinions about the situation in Palestine but it was removed completely, not just flagged or deleted. But full removal which I've not observed before on HN.

It was something like this https://opiniojuris.org/2023/10/18/public-statement-scholars...

HN claims they are different but they sensor more than Reddit, where at least have to be astroturfed with a majority.

Barring some rare bug, I can say for sure that didn't happen. Posts on HN are never removed completely, except in cases when the person who posted it asks us to, and even then usually only if there weren't replies. Other than that, the most that happens is that a post gets killed, a.k.a. [dead] status, and any user who reads HN with the 'showdead' setting turned on in their profile can see those.

I'd like to know which HN post you're talking about, so I can say exactly what happened. Whatever post it was, it wasn't from the site opiniojuris.org. The most recent HN submission from that site was 10 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=opiniojuris.org

I respect that you've commented. It was something I upvoted. I checked through my upvoted submissions at the time and could no longer find it which was a first for me as either would expect it to have been flagged or deleted but shown.

I remember being a little shocked when it was on the front page and shortly after was not. I've checked again from <4 months. Wonder if anyone else can recall the URL - I just remember it was a collective scholarly opinion with condemnation on the situation, it may not have been from opinionjuris but the article was very similar.

I wonder if you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38036236? You'd need to turn showdead on in your profile to see that one.

I'm pretty sure that the code that decides whether or not to display a [dead] post doesn't consider whether the user had upvoted the post before it became [dead]. Maybe it would be better if it did.

> I'd like to know which HN post you're talking about, so I can say exactly what happened.

> I wonder if you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38036236? You'd need to turn showdead on in your profile to see that one.

So, what happened?

Edit: I can't even click the link on the post you mentioned. Is that normal? That seems especially suspect and somewhat closer to censoring opposing views than I've come to expect from you and HN, Dan.

I have showdead enabled.

The link in question:

https://twailr.com/public-statement-scholars-warn-of-potenti...

So, what happened?

Very likely flagged dead by users, as most things that show up as [flagged][dead]

Is that normal?

It is for dead submissions. Has been the case for ages.

> It is for dead submissions. Has been the case for ages.

For those with showdead enabled, why are links on dead submissions broken? Isn’t that the whole point of showdead, to actually show the post?

I don't know but if I had to guess it's because some of these links could be abusive/harmful or spam. I don't think it makes much difference practically in the cases that they aren't since then it's not hard to recover the link with the info left, if you wanted to.

It doesn't address the specific thing but you can see the broader logic here:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

It was simply flagged by a lot of users.

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