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Massacring dance festival attendants and people in their homes is not self defence, it is terrorism.
"What if" is the key phrase there. Can you jump into the minds of every Palestinian and know their likes, dislikes, motivations, level of support for Hamas? No, of course not; none of us can.
> Massacring dance festival attendants and people in their homes is not self defence, it is terrorism.
Absolutely agreed. But I'm not convinced what Israel is doing in Gaza is self defense either. There's certainly a self defense component to it, but cutting off electricity, water, and communications, and indiscriminate killing of non-combatants... well, none of that is self defense; those are war crimes.
Israel certainly has the moral right to defend itself against threats (existential or otherwise), but the response needs to be proportionate. I don't believe what they're doing is proportionate.
And tons of Israeli also support rather distasteful things, including before Oct 7, which has been widely documented. Some of these people are currently ministers (e.g. Ben-Gvir, Smotrich, etc.). And many Americans, and Italians, and $any_other_nationality. I don't want to play "tit for tat" here but only for Palestinians have I ever seen the "well, they support Hamas, so therefore it's not a big deal" line of reasoning.
Even steel manning your position and assuming most of the women and children being killed (and worse) by Israel cheered the attacks (which we have no evidence is true) , no, actually, you aren't justified in massacring people just because they took pleasure in an evil thing that happened to you.
Also, it seems you are shadowbanned. You might want to reread and reflect some of your comments and then contact dang.
Absolutely not. There's no moral justification for murder.
"Yes yes etc but do you condemn hamas"
Literally the meme
The problem is when people who speak out against the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocents are presumed evil terrorist supporters unless they also explicitly condemn Hamas.
One should propose plan to solve problem without those deaths, or his words just become propaganda.
A mother whose childs have just been killed and who never supported Hamas in any way absolutely has the right to critize the bombings that killed her family, without having to present a working geopolitical plan.
How about on the other hand, the IDF does care again, where their bombs explode?
"Israel's defense minister said he has "released all restraints" on the Israel Defense Forces' troops in their fight "
https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-wa...
for sake of mutual peace and future every human should think hard before talking on sensitive topics. But humans can't, so we butcher each other instead for thousands of years.