You are missing the point completely here. I am not arguing for or against frameworks. I'm telling you that Java and Java programmers need them, and because of that you are going to have swathes of programmers fighting over which ones to use, the correct way to use them and also over the need to switch from the Apples framework to the Oranges framework because it is obv better.

I want better languages instead of a mediocre one papered over with an emulation layer like Spring Boot.

Why do you think there are so many translation layer efforts for JavaScript? Same reason. Java and JavaScript in and of themselves are weak.

I am going to go out on a limb and claim that all of you that downvote me have completely missed this point.

> The fact that people are able, willing, and actually do build cool, valueable and inventive things while trying to minimize the amount of noise between them and their tech-stack, is not something that disappoints me. In fact, this is why I largely transitioned to Go as one of my primary languages. And I get the same feedback from many people in many other companies and roles.

This is not what people are doing. This is what I (and perhaps you!) want. People are _adding_ things on top of the core language. They need and want more stuff. Not less.