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Having enough trouble with the shallow state already. Can we upgrade that first?

The existence of a deep state precludes fixing a shallow one.

Are you saying we need a whole rewrite of the government?

Most any other matter is open for discussion in society, but I have noticed that if one suggests doing the same for government, people tend to start acting strange...experiencing strong emotions, hallucinating (delusions of mind reading abilities, etc)...it is a fascinating phenomenon, yet it tends to get little to no attention. And when it does, the content of the attention tends to be untruthful, hallucinatory, etc.

I sincerely believe I "smell a rat" of some sort.

But didn't we discover way back with Snowden that it was not as shallow as we thought? Has it decreased in depth since then?

Exactly. The news anchors reading a script approved by CEOs of companies owned by a handful of parent companies, owned by a handful of people, who happen to be close acquaintances with other powerful people (governmentally and economically) told me that the deep state is a right wing nut job conspiracy theory, and that it is a Baseless Claim™.

Who's side are you on?

What do you mean by "who", and "sides"? Or, are you engaging in memetics, perhaps not intentionally or knowingly?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memetics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness

The Good Side, obviously.

How certain are you that a good side even exists?

And, do you believe that that which is obvious is necessarily true?

Or, were you maybe "having a laugh"? If so, note that the validity of our "democracy" is measured in lives, sometimes millions of lives.

Some people think artificially shortened life spans is a big deal, some do not. Some think it matters for some people, but not for others. Some people think they understand what is going on, some do not. Some people are able to be curious about such things, others do not have the ability to.

I believe lack of education in certain domains (and "over education" in others), and culture, play extremely substantial causal roles here.

Please excuse my excess seriousness, I appreciate that HN "is not intended" for discussion of topics beyond certain levels of seriousness.

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