We don't need these things to be electives. We don't need them to be a master's program. We need an undergraduate software engineering program, and we need 90% of the people in CS to switch to that program instead.
The question as well is: are Chemical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Materials Engineering trade schools?
I think it's a key call out as CS touches on so many things.
There are arguments for it being math, science, engineering, a trade school or a combination of the above.
And then if you separate them out completely you end up with people doing CS being out of touch with what happens in the real world and vice versa.
I think in the end you probably need to have a single overall degree with a specialization in (Programming as Engineering, Programming as Math and Programming as Computer Science,) with lots of overlap in the core.
And then you still can have a both a bootcamp style trade school.
Now all of that said, that still doesn't solve the CS equivalent of "Math for business majors". Or the equivalent of "Programming for Scientists", or the like which is already a really important case to offer. Where you major in Bio/Chem/Other but being able to apply programming to your day job is important. Although that probably sits closer to the Applied Software category that you might find in business school like using spreadsheets, basic command lines, intro to databases or python.
But to your point, how rarely software engineering is being taught is a huge problem. Even if only 30% of degree holders took classes in it, it would be huge in helping spread best practices.
Software engineering is interesting, though, because it does not require as much formal education as many other engineering fields to get a job. I think this is in part because it is very economically valuable (in the US at least) and because the only tool you need is a computer with an Internet connection.
With all of that said, I think SWE is probably closer to a trade than other engineering disciplines, but not by all that much.
Which is a big shame, because it’s very common to see developers who would have benefited from a proper CS curriculum, and have to learn it later in life.