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The only very commonly used language that I can think of with a single dev environment is Excel.

Every other one (c, c++, Java, various .Net, python, Ruby, and yes, Clojure) has a variety of editors and dev tool sets in use.

Is choice of tooling somehow bad?

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I would disagree that Java has a variety of editors and dev tool sets in use. Of course there are occasional people that branch outside of jet brains, but they are a tiny minority. Most Java projects I have worked on are dependent on IntelliJ.

Given this end the fact that many clojure people come from Java, it does not surprise me at all to see this attitude.

Interesting. I would have expected "Java devs not using Jet Brains" to vastly outnumber those using it, rather than being a tiny minority.

Trying to estimate their sales, it seems like JetBrains is around $400M/yr in revenue. Looking at their pricing, it seems like $400/user/yr is a fair estimate, which suggests around 1 million paying users for JetBrains. Oracle claims 10M or more Java devs (undoubtedly many of those are dabblers in Java rather than 2000 hours/year users, but JetBrains sells to a lot of non-Java devs as well).

Interesting indeed! My sample definitely skews toward the small company/startup field, although I've worked with some big banks too a those devs were all using IntelliJ.

I worked for a finance company that everyone was using Eclipse, and it was almost impossible to break out of eclipse (except maybe for a new application) because there were custom Eclipse plugins written to even get some applications to compile locally.

Jetbrains took the #1 spot from Eclipse many years ago. The free community edition is fully capable.

And another free IDEA edition — Android Studio — might be even more popular.

I've been doing Java since '97 and have gone through dozens of IDEs and editors over the years -- and never used IntelliJ (because I don't like it).

> The only very commonly used language that I can think of with a single dev environment is Excel

Not sure if this is still the case, but last time I tried to write something in Kotlin it didn't have decent support in any editor outside of JetBrains.

And that's been a negative for Kotlin for a while now

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