[1] Of course there is a semantic issue at play here as well: efficiency referring to both range/energy as well as power out/power in, and whether anyone actually has the right to drive a 845 hp cybertruck around in the midst of a climate crisis and global mass extinction when ~100 bhp ought to be enough for almost all commuting/leisure use.
a) Regulate the half-dozen coal plants in the country to clean up their shit and install scrubbers
b) Somehow force 100k already sold ICE vehicles to install aftermarket pollution reduction doodads
My point is not “we shouldn’t do evs” and more we are taking too long to electrify cars and this leaves out trucks, ships, and most trains (at least in the US). But that lack of electrification is outmatched by our inability to decarbonize the energy grid worldwide - with the decrease of % energy nuclear, it’s been met with increase in natural gas despite massive spikes in wind and solar. Additionally, since energy demands grow every year (eg electric cars now demand electricity from the grid) total energy is growing which means that despite increasing solar and wind, fossil fuel production has gained market share and total fossil fuel production has also grown. In no way is our grid energy production on a positive direction to becoming decarbonized.
> diesel ICEV ranges from 25 % to 37 %
> The EV fed by a natural gas power plant shows the highest WTW efficiency which ranges from 13 % to 31 %
> While the EV supplied by coal-fired and diesel power plants have approximately the same WTW efficiency ranging between 13 % to 27 % and 12 % to 25 %, respectively
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2020SJRUE..24..669A/abstra...
Look at what happens to the % of fossil fuels when nuclear energy mix shrinks over time even as solar and wind increase drastically: https://ourworldindata.org/electricity-mix
Looks like maybe solar/wind are able to take market share from coal (likely because regulations and popular opinions have made less profitable), a decrease in nuclear is directly correlated with an increase in natural gas usage. That’s pretty telling to me.
Also, nuclear is the only energy source that can generate enough energy to make carbon recapture possible and doesn’t come with unsolved energy storage requirements for the grid.
Segment D (large), a class with 36 entries (albeit with some apparent duplications):
- Model 3 is the most efficient, and the Model 3 long range is the joint third-most efficient
- Model Y is the seventh-most efficient, and subjectively the most efficient 'SUV-shaped' (i.e. higher roof, less aero) in the class. The MY LR is ~13th most efficient.
Segment F (luxury), a class with 60 entries (albeit with some apparent duplications):
- Model S is 3rd (dual motor) and 6th (Plaid) most efficient
- Model X is mid-pack, but again subjectively the most efficient large 'SUV-shaped' car in the class.
I'd also add that while I don't follow the EV space closely, a good proportion of Tesla's frequent car updates are focussed on improving efficieny - aero, heat-pumps, etc.
Firstly it turns out charging your car is a pain in the ass in some places, particularly here in London. The chargers are regularly damaged and poorly maintained or completely rammed. There is also nowhere to park to charge at home. On top of that the electricity pricing options are so volatile that it is actually hard work to find a cost effective charging option on a regular basis which means you have to plan everything. Ad-hoc trips being a planning exercise really doesn't work well.
Secondarily, the cost savings didn't add up when you factor in depreciation and capital cost anyway. Especially when there is nothing competitive to petrol vehicles on the second hand market where the majority of sales volume is.
Add to that the toxic Musk association and the constant pushing and marketing and I think people are getting fatigued and unsympathetic at this point. The market is damaging itself with dishonesty, inflated claims and toxic association.
The four people sold their (3x Tesla, 1x BMW) and two went back to petrol cars and the other two said they'd never own another car again.
My EV will definitely be a net saving over a petrol car. 2.5 years in, and it’s basically a given at this point. And this is in a country without any government rebates.
For example I drove a second hand vehicle for 8 years until the start of this year and the whole total cost of ownership over the entire time didn't even get to half the sticker price of the cheapest EV on the market.
We can all talk around a point.
Hummers were more or less considered political symbols in support for the US war on Iraq, and like, pollution and gasoline waste.
But that's a niche car which might benefit from being "rad" politically.
Musk isn't doing anything unusual in that regard. The only reason he attracts such opprobrium is the left feel they should have ideological control over every institution. Musk isn't on board with that and it infuriates them.
I don't know, how often? I'm genuinely curious because as a movie-goer, I've never been told that I'm obliged to like a movie because of the genders/races of the actors.
https://www.outkick.com/hollywoods-war-on-toxic-fans-makes-n...
The 2016 dud “Ghostbusters” may have unofficially been the first time a Hollywood product singled out “toxic” fans. The franchise reboot, which reportedly lost Sony $70 million, included a scene where the budding Ghostbusters attack their online trolls.
The director, Paul Feig, added the sequence to directly attack the film’s critics.
https://youtu.be/XMVqNO3hRlc?si=6pOvAitq1NRX-nTX&t=281
"If you don't come see it, then you're sending a message that black women cannot lead the box office globally, that you're supporting that narrative"
I'd recommend educating yourself further on the reality of what you're blaming "the left" for
I'm quite familiar the argument, but my personal experience in a Model 3 (and subsequently a Mercedes) suggests that an overabundance of geegaws is nothing so much as a crib mobile for upright adults.
So I just called to ask my partner who has experience in the automotive industry and knows way more about cars than me. Here's the general sentiment he expressed:
* There are lots of competitive options here that are growing in popularity, and more companies are producing solid electric options that are easily competitive with Tesla.
* One example was the Polestar 2, with which he said Polestar/Volvo can be said to have "caught up" almost 4 years ago. According to him Volvo's 100 years of experience with hardware helped make the Polestar a better vehicle hardware-wise, _but_ Tesla still has better software. He said it takes older manufacturers longer to catch up on that front. He said it depends on what the consumer values more: It would at this stage be reasonable to say the Polestar is better if your priority is the physical car itself. But if you value software, you might favor Tesla out of the two.
* Some companies are innovating in a way that Tesla has not, such as Nio's swappable batteries.
* There's lots of innovation and choice in the space, and where a few years ago Tesla seemed like the only option, there are other manufacturers who have "caught up" by now with their offerings by offering affordable, high-quality electric vehicles
Dominated by the Koreans and Germans. Car and Driver had similar conclusions for their 10 Best annual rankings for the EV category which didn't include a Tesla.
Tesla's charging network is king, but the actual automobiles themselves are no longer class leading.
https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-biler/2023-07-fart-paa-disse-b...
Colleague has model S, the most powerful plug he can have in his Swiss home can charge 9km of normal ride per hour (forget hills or generally cold weather like we have now till April). So overnight he is happy if he gets enough charge to go to work and back. I can't imagine living with constant range anxiety like that, since he has only this car.
Sure there is 150KWh charger somewhere out there, so now he needs to plan trips specifically to top up, with some waiting included.
Even if it was a more normal 11 or 7kW/h charger it’d still have him driving 80km or 125km, neither of which is anywhere near what a Tesla should be capable of.
Europe has no problem with center-right politics; it is mostly center-right. It's the extreme right, racism, etc that people are very sensitive about. Also because of some unfortunate history about 80 years ago.
Godwin's Law was about heated Usenet discussions that have nothing to do with politics where people would eventually end up calling each other nazis. That's a totally different situation than Elon Musk inviting actual nazis and white supremacists to Twitter, paying them for their contributions, boosting and retweeting then, and kicking out critics.
Teslas are doing just fine in Europe:
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-europe-sales-figures/
Almost no-one I know cares about what Musk says on twitter, they just want an good electric car, and they buy them. The Model Y is the top selling car in europe.
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/tesla-model-y-likely-to-be-...
Please - at least look up figures before posting stuff like this.
Edit: it’s amazing I’m getting downvoted on HN which is supposedly a scientific community. The person I was replying to made claims which were wrong which I point out with numbers. Yet people are so obsessed with hating musk they downvote me.
You have three options: 1) government legislates everything tightly, 2) small government & pro-company, 3) small government & pro-employee. Simply put Sweden is 3, 1 is basically off the tables here, and 2 is against the Scandinavian culture.
Either Tesla folds OR sales drop because you can't service your car. This isn't rocket science, but unless you have sales data for the last month there's not much to really debate with beyond anecdotes.
Comparing model sales doesn’t make a lot sense. Tesla only offers 2 different models in the 40-60k range. Now look at VW and then add very similar cars from Skoda, Audi and Cupra.
Of course your’e still right Tesla’s market share in Europe has only been growing over the last couple of years.
As this is HN, then I also have to mention that Hyundai API (bluelink) has limits on how many queries you can do in a 24h rolling window. 20 or 50 queries, depending on the type…
https://www.golem.de/news/restwert-problematik-sixt-draengt-...
Problems: remaining car value is too low after use, very high maintenance costs.
If one buys an expensive premium car and has lost resale value fast, that's probably not positive for anyone who buys a car.
Consumers wanted electric cars a long time ago, those old-timers just denied us because it would've hurt their short-term profits.
I think VW maybe made a marketing mistake by making the eGolf and eUp so... non-obvious (there was really almost no way to tell they weren't a normal Golf/Up from the outside); it lead people to believe that the ID.3/4/5 were their first electric cars.