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There's nothing wrong with working on PHP and he should (and is) proud of his contributions. HN is no place for this level of snark and PL tribalism.

In fact, if you check his Twitter, he retweeted the latest release of PHP version, 5 days ago: https://twitter.com/nikita_ppv

I don't think you can dismiss criticism of programming languages as "PL tribalism". The idea that all programming languages are equally great and "best tool for the job" excuses all flaws is clearly ridiculous.

PHP is not a very good language. Yes, even modern PHP.

It was also explicitly stated to be a joke. There's really nothing wrong with that.

Not all jokes are harmless. Specially the flamebait prone ones. Take a look at the site guidelines about it.

Moderation is active and monitors this kind of behavior. For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38410031

I can and do dismiss non-constructive criticism, based on HN guidelines.

Literally the first two lines about comment etiquete:

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

> Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

That doesn't mean that the people working to _improve_ PHP are doing anything wrong. Sisyphean, perhaps.

There's a legitimate accelerationist view that improving PHP does more harm than good, by delaying people's migration away from it.

There are legitimate views both ways. It's called an opinion.

Besides, bashing languages rarely lead to constructive conversations. That's exactly why guidelines and moderators discourage it.

Note that Nikita has had a hand in many of the improvements that have made PHP much more pleasant since the fractal-of-bad-design days: https://www.npopov.com/aboutMe.html#accepted-php-proposals

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