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It was the same way with Trump. People had, and have, no idea who the man is because they only consume this ultra-refined vendetta-hatred filled hit pieces with little connection to reality. 95% of journalists voted Clinton. We can assume roughly the same amount are now aligned against Musk.

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You can listen to what these men actually say. They aren’t hiding anything. If trump says he doesn’t believe elections are rigged when he loses, and he wants to use the Justice department to go after his political enemies, you really don’t need journalists to explain this to you.

Trump lies blatantly to serve himself when you do listen to him directly. Recently he said that without fraud he won every single state in the 2020 election. There is no way a sane person can interpret that as anything but a blatant & dangerous self serving lie. The people who have the most damning things to say about Trump are the people who have lived & worked with him for years. The writer who shadowed him for years to write The Art of the Deal, and the many staff members he hired that would later resign and try to warn people about Trump.

What media do you consume that you believe portrays these men more accurately? I presume you do not know them personally.

I suggest going closer to the source (listening to what they say and do directly) than consuming carefully-selected information that comes to you through several layers of misdirection and alteration. One clear example was the recent set of Musk tweets that caused advertisers to pause their Twitter spend.

From my perspective, articles said he made anti-Semitic statements but I personally struggled to find the tweets themselves anywhere within the articles. Many people would read the headline, and take away that Musk is an anti-Semite without going further. For those who click the article they would still struggle to find out what exactly was said.

FYI. To the best of my knowledge these are the contents of the tweets in question. I leave it up to you to judge whether you think this is antisemitic or not. This is not content I have written and these are certainly not views I hold. However, I do think it is important to know and remember exactly what was said.

@breakingbaht

Okay.

Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.

I'm deeply disintereted in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.

You want truth said to your face, there it is.

@elonmusk

You have said the actual truth.

Honestly, if people can’t find these tweets they haven’t been trying very hard.

Well in the case of Musk, you can just listen to what he says directly, he blasts every thought out on that website, for better and worse.

The picture you get of him by listening to him directly is so different than how he is portrayed by these media organizations.

You can see it in the this particular case that has everyone calling him an "antisemite". Here is the full exchange:

musk: "You have said the actual truth"

musk: "The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel. This is because they cannot, by their own tenets, criticize the minority groups who are their primary threat. It is not right and needs to stop."

whatsupfranks: "Yes, but this is not fair to say or truthful to say that ‘Jewish communities’ promote dialectical hatred towards white. Say what you want about the ADL, but don’t generalize the Jewish community."

musk: "You right that this does not extend to all Jewish communities, but it is also not just limited to ADL"

musk: "And, at the risk of being repetitive, I am deeply offended by ADL’s messaging and any other groups who push de facto anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism or racism of any kind."

Reading this exchange, it's clear to me that musk does not hate jews. However, these media orgs took only the first message out of context and declared that musk hates jews.

He has had other exchanges with the president of Israel and leadership of the ADL, but those have also been conveniently left out.

Trump is a different story, I don't really know much about that because I'm intentionally tuned out of politics.

One is tempted to ask "What color is the sky on your planet?" The worst portrayal of Trump is to just play the tape of what he says.

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