Elon Musk breaks world record for largest loss of personal fortune in history
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[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32932567
[2] https://fortune.com/2022/10/31/what-is-mark-zuckerberg-net-w...
A vague assessment of a total combined price of each individual share the person has control of.
But also, the more articles you write about “rocket man bad”, doesn’t it become more and more obvious what your bias is? It’s just a little on the nose at this point.
No wonder trust in old school media is at an all time low.
What would you consider a trustworthy non-"old school media" source?
From my perspective, articles said he made anti-Semitic statements but I personally struggled to find the tweets themselves anywhere within the articles. Many people would read the headline, and take away that Musk is an anti-Semite without going further. For those who click the article they would still struggle to find out what exactly was said.
@breakingbaht
Okay.
Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.
I'm deeply disintereted in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much.
You want truth said to your face, there it is.
@elonmusk
You have said the actual truth.
The picture you get of him by listening to him directly is so different than how he is portrayed by these media organizations.
You can see it in the this particular case that has everyone calling him an "antisemite". Here is the full exchange:
musk: "You have said the actual truth"
musk: "The ADL unjustly attacks the majority of the West, despite the majority of the West supporting the Jewish people and Israel. This is because they cannot, by their own tenets, criticize the minority groups who are their primary threat. It is not right and needs to stop."
whatsupfranks: "Yes, but this is not fair to say or truthful to say that ‘Jewish communities’ promote dialectical hatred towards white. Say what you want about the ADL, but don’t generalize the Jewish community."
musk: "You right that this does not extend to all Jewish communities, but it is also not just limited to ADL"
musk: "And, at the risk of being repetitive, I am deeply offended by ADL’s messaging and any other groups who push de facto anti-white racism or anti-Asian racism or racism of any kind."
Reading this exchange, it's clear to me that musk does not hate jews. However, these media orgs took only the first message out of context and declared that musk hates jews.
He has had other exchanges with the president of Israel and leadership of the ADL, but those have also been conveniently left out.
Trump is a different story, I don't really know much about that because I'm intentionally tuned out of politics.
“I hope you will be involved. And the fact that you came here, I think, speaks volumes to your commitment to try to secure a better future.”
That does not square in the slightest with doing anything they can to make him/them look bad. It presents Musk as a reasonable guy who received praise from the PM of Israel. The article is here:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/27/elon-musk-visi...
Because of that, people are intensely interested in the melodrama of his public life, and a capitalist or populist media would be foolish not to cover it. The theatricality of it all is his brand and something that he intentionally and specifically cultures. Where and if media organizations do develop a bias of unduly vilifying him, it's because he explicitly invites them to play that role.
Whatever you think of him, he's no victim.
I strongly suspect confirmation bias is at play.
How about this article? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/18/elon-musk...
That certainly is not a "rocket man" is bad article. It provides context and states what why Musk would be filing a lawsuit.
How about this article?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/05/elon-musk...
Seems very expository to me, with lots of quotes from Musk and team.
How about this article?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/01/elon-musk...
Which leads with the sentence: "Elon Musk, the world’s richest man; Mustafa Suleyman, co-founder of DeepMind; and King Charles among those weighing in"
How about this article?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/12/elon-musk...
I very much could see all 8 of those points being conveyed in a much starker light, or potentially selecting different points that were all abjectly negative - rather than the relatively expository nature of the article.
The media has very few positive news stories and they are channelled along specific activities in life.
I can't imagine anybody valuing media now. Media is fundamentally worth less to read and participate in, than ever before.
Old school media now, is nothing like old school media then. Online media outside of a few places, is heavily manipulated and poisoined.
Compared to? @sexygirl2000 as the "new media"?
What does this even mean?
Then there are reporters. These are people who write stories for newspapers and are told by their editor to push a narrative because the owner wants to put pressure on a particular sector. They do what they are told because their paycheck is more important that unbiased reporting. Anecdotally I know I am exposed more to these hack reporters in my day to day dealings with my local media outlets than professional journalists and dare I say a lot of other people are too.
i even made sure to go to the science section of theguardian and searched for spacex, because i thought, maybe there are different sections that focus on more optimistic takes of what Elon is doing, but of course all of the headlines are extremely negative
"Rows and rockets blow up as Elon Musk’s firms endure turbulent weekend"
"SpaceX’s Starship reaches space for first time but explodes moments later"
"SpaceX delays second test flight of world’s largest rocket until weekend"
this stuff is so cringe and so obviously biased/tainted
"I had a beautiful wedding. The walls were yellow", isn't quite the same and "I had a beautiful wedding, but the walls were yellow."
In the same way, it would be more neutral (at least to my French speaking ears) to say "It reached space and exploded seconds later."
The 'but' in the sentence to say: "some of that goal was achieved, but not all of it", is not manipulative. I recommend reading that exact article to see that it's not overly negative nor overly positive. Relative to the goals of SpaceX, what else was the headline supposed to say?
> SpaceX’s uncrewed Starship spacecraft, developed to carry astronauts to the moon and beyond, reached space for the first time on Saturday but was presumed to have failed minutes later.
> It was Starship’s second test after its first attempt to reach space ended in an explosion earlier this year.
> The two-stage rocket ship blasted off from the Elon Musk-owned company’s Starbase launch site near Boca Chica in Texas, east of Brownsville, on a planned 90-minute uncrewed flight into space.
> If successful, the rocket would have ended up landing in the Pacific ocean near Hawaii. The company hopes the rocket can eventually manage a trip around the Earth, which could take an hour and a half.
> The two stages of the spacecraft successfully separated about two and a half minutes into the flight, but shortly afterwards, SpaceX announced that it could not find a signal from the second stage, which it declared lost.
> The company believes the rocket’s self-destruction mechanism was set off after it lost the signal.
> SpaceX’s second flight is an improvement on its first test launch in April, when both stages ultimately exploded four minutes into its flight. The spacecraft’s first stage, nicknamed “Super Heavy” for its 33 engines, had failed, causing both stages to explode.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/nov/18/elon-musk-sp...
I don't think that is the case at all. The word 'however' could have been used just as well here.
"We ran a good race, but finished second". The 'but' does not imply a negation of all success, but instead a lack of achievement of all successes.
I speak French, it's effectively the same. "We went for 100%, but in the end got 90%". "On voulais 100%, mais a la fin on a gagne 90%". Presumably the end goal of the space ship was not to explode in space, but to also return as well.
It all comes down to an expectation that the rocket was to do more. If said with a simple "and", it's unclear whether that was the end goal or not. I suspect you're perhaps reading mal-intent where there is really none.
> "It reached space and exploded seconds later.""
This is actually confusing to me, was it supposed to explode seconds later? Was this actually a test of a ICBM and not a spaceship?
Further, is this statement actually not a bit too neutral? Almost to the point of not acknowledging that yeah, this was not 100% success. It's almost a bias in the other way to not even acknowledge that this was not an intended outcome.
(A) Could we say: "It reached space, exploded seconds later, and was a complete success for SpaceX."
(B) Or could we say: "It reached space, but exploded second later; nonetheless a big success for SpaceX."
I believe what you may have inferred was something more like: (C) "It reached space, but exploded seconds later; a complete disaster for SpaceX"
Your valuation of whether the 'but' is a negative judgement or a matter of fact that the full goal was not achieved, I believe is your bias.
Your example is actually spot on: "I had a beautiful wedding, but the walls were yellow." Did the walls being yellow make the wedding a disaster? No, but did the yellow walls somehow lead to a less than optimal result? Yes.
In the first statement: "I had a beautiful wedding. The walls were yellow", it is almost misleading because the statement is withholding the idea that the yellow walls were a bad thing.
It's up to the reader to decide how bad the walls being yellow were. Some readers may decide that the wedding was completely gashed, others may decide that it was 98% great.
Another example to consider: "I had a beautiful wedding, but the cake was not enough." vs "I had a beautiful wedding, the cake was not enough". The latter is not as clear, was the cake just so good that it ran out? The first one, implies that there was a greater expectation. Which goes to my point, it's a big omission if you leave out the idea there was a greater expectation.