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I'm not a fan of Musk but is it really thousands?

And most cases as far as I understand revolve around the users not actually paying attention as they should.

I agree that the system is marketed wrong. It should be called a copilot which implies the dual control responsibilities. Unfortunately that will never happen now as Microsoft has bet their whole company on this trademark :) :)

I think there's certainly a place for AI though. But for driving it's not there yet, at least to be in full control.

> ... as far as I understand revolve around the users not actually paying attention as they should.

Because they're given the wrong impression that they can not pay attention.

Several paid with their lives (or with the lives of others) for it: accident that'd have been prevented had they kept their eyes on the road and their hands on the steering wheel.

I mean: either it's an auto-pilot or it isn't. Auto-pilot means I can take a nap. An auto-pilot which must be baby-sitted isn't an auto-pilot.

Well the car constantly checks if the driver is paying attention, that's not really giving the wrong impression, is it? It really reinforces that it's not meant to be completely independent.

I do agree that "AutoPilot" and "Full Self Driving" are false advertising and shouldn't be used. But the driver has a responsibility of knowing what their car can and can't do.

I'm pretty sure even those killed drivers were aware of the limitations but just chose to ignore them.

It’s one thing to have “user error” when it means your program can crash and you’ll lose your work. Another thing when your vehicle can crash and you’ll be decapitated by a semi, and the marketing said driver awareness was just an anachronism for “legal purposes”. The whole Silicon Valley yolo culture has permeated too far when it isn’t immediately obvious how stupid our state of commerce has become. I hope this entire planet is wiped out by an asteroid.

Are you by any chance european? Everything has some risk attached to it. The choice is between developing self driving tech and some people dying, or never developing self driving tech. Or if you're european, tut tut about the cowboy americans and their unreasonable risks and then use their self driving tech once its perfected.

This is just a overreaction. I have a honda civic and it's self driving is constantly trying to kill me.

It's far worse than anything tesla offers.

Lane Keep Assist and Adaptive Cruise Control on Honda vehicles has never been marketed as "self-driving".

Was auto pilot marketed as "self driving"?

It sounds like you thought "full self driving" meant that the car would be able to fully drive itself. That's a common misconception. What "full self driving" means is that the car can stop at traffic lights. I hope that clears things up.

No idea what self-driving has to do with AGI.

It's now being pushed by some self-driving startups as the solution to all the problems that have so far been unsolvable for them.

Check out the language SenseAuto is using in this press release. It's truly bonkers.

> AGI is the catalyst for automotive revolution. The buzz is back for autonomous driving, thanks to the unlimited potential brought by AGI technology. AGI is pushing autonomous driving to new frontiers by facilitating end-to-end approaches that integrate detection, tracking and planning with unprecedented accuracy.

> The promise of AGI is that it has the potential to facilitate autonomous driving systems capable of handling complex scenarios with high accuracy by taking a more unified approach.

> With SenseAuto’s extensive experience in pioneering AGI capabilities, we are one of the few software providers in the industry with capabilities in both autonomous driving and intelligent cabin systems. Our comprehensive product portfolio reflects our belief in the future of smart mobility that is centred around AGI.

https://europe.autonews.com/sponsored/driving-future-mobilit...

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