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If you want to be physically healthy, you eat nutritious, balanced foods and get regular exercise and sufficient sleep.
If you want to be mentally healthy, you practice healthy ways to experience and work through your negative feelings rather than trying to avoid or control them. Etc.
There is no amount of "mental health" that can protect you against targeted bullying of that magnitude. I really wish we had a universe simulator so you could see how miserably you would fail to survive an environment like that.
The answer isn't to make nudity illegal. We're going to end up blinding ourselves on purpose to avoid seeing our own nudity if we go down your road.
1. Complete loss of privacy and control over your image.
2. Shame and embarrassment, especially in high school where every boy will look at you different and reduce you to a sexual object.
3. Public humiliation -- those photos can and do lead to ridicule and bullying. You're the one who is naked while everyone else is clothed.
4. Destroys self-esteem -- high school is already terrible in this regard but it's hard to have any kind of self worth when a sex object and some porn is how your classmates know you.
5. Takes away your agency -- its doesn't matter if the photos aren't real, they can make you do anything in those photos and to a 3rd party viewer there's no difference.
6. It's degrading -- they're not gonna be tasteful nudes and pretending as such is naive. And it doesn't matter if you don't find the acts degrading when everyone else does.
It's not making nudity illegal, it's making and distributing sexually explicit images of a person whiteout their consent illegal.
The answer isn't to make getting an 'A' illegal.
The answer is to challenge the bullying and to not to allow it to gain power.
Don't hate the players (bully, bullied), hate the game.
You're conflating 'nudity' in general, and non-consensual generated nude images, but like, these things are just different, and are treated differently. There isn't a misunderstanding that nudity in, say, art, is different from nudity in porn, or that there's difference between consensual and nonconsensual depictions, or whether something involves made-up characters and real people. So why insist on conflating these two just for the sake of 'throwing hands' like problems there can't be solved, and that some specific, more narrow set of problems can't have a solution on it's own, when it can.
I was trying to convey a more extreme holistic situation where there simply isn't a consequence of someone sharing a nude picture of someone, people just shrugging and saying "so what? It's perfectly normal to be naked".
By breaking the underlying system of shame and embarrassment of someone being nude, there isn't anything to gain from it after that. Then there isn't a reason to even make it illegal anymore.
(Other than just not wanting your person to be pictured at all, just basic privacy, no need to put different value to different parts of the body)
>If a naked picture of you is causing you to choose suicide
really great response. almost as good as 'if rape is causing you to choose suicide'. 'maybe we need to fix how society views rape'. nonconsensual nude imagery and pornography is much closer to rape than not.
> I really wish we had a universe simulator so you could see how miserably you would fail to survive an environment like that.
So go take up your objections with the guy I was replying to instead of coming at me and moving the goalposts.
I agree that kids these days are weak and coddled and not emotionally resilient enough. And this kind of safetyism is the exact reason why.
Like yeah I'm not at all shocked the HN everyman mid 30s white dude wouldn't really care about his nudes being spread around. The point of the simulator comment was I wish you could truly experience how different life is for women.
The hypothetical risk of AI-generated deepfake nudes is, in principle, no different from what you could do with Photoshop even when I was a teenager. It’s easier to send the fake nudes to everybody these days, but I seriously doubt anybody would have been genuinely fooled and it would reflect more on whoever made and disseminated the fakes.
I don’t pretend to have the answer, but admitting that there’s a problem in the first place is a good step forward.
Wouldn't take too long before everyone realized that nudes were all fake.
At least that approach worked in South Park.. : D
1. If there are easy nudes of _everyone_ then there are no nudes of anyone. Admittedly, this is going to take a bit to culturally sink in, but eventually a generated nude will have very little value outside of a perverts own personal desires.
2. "Think of the children" has always been a very poor argument used to artificially restrict the freedoms of everyone else. The problem is that what you're worried about is already possible. It happens less often, sure, but if someone is really nefarious they can make it happen without too much effort.
That matters because once you realize the false dichotomy you can discuss intermediate steps: for example, if businesses have legal requirements to watermark output, answer legal requests to identify the user who produced an image, or apply a robust NSFW filter, etc. that certainly wouldn’t prevent all abuse but it would make a difference for the majority of school kids who a don’t have the skills to setup an entire open source ML toolchain.
Where this especially matters is curated experiences. A lot of businesses would like to offer ways to personalize their services but they’re worried about what happens if, say, you can get Disney’s Make Your Own Magical Kingdom app show someone else’s kid your clever prompt. It’s not hard to imagine a regulatory framework similar to what’s evolving with self-driving cars where companies would need to validate their products’ performance at certain levels to be certified as suitable for certain thresholds (safe to show to the user, their friends, other people in the same game as them, fully public, etc.).
A big area will be brand safety: even if it’s not technically illegal or even unprecedented levels of violence to show a bloodied Mario and Luigi fighting, there’d be outraged parents and an epic lawsuit if your app’s generative AI feature can produce it, and that means there’s a big market demand for services which can assure buyers that they don’t have to worry about it.
Supervision and intervention?
Supportive environment?
Friendship?
Discovery of the people around us?
Anonymous support forums?
Peer contacts?
Not making self-defense illegal?
I mean I'm sure we could launch more research into what might possibly work but we do have some to get started with. It's not like ONLY non-verbal people are being bullied and can('t) talk about it.