https://europeanspaceflight.com/europe-will-introduce-a-reus...
Back the day, before SpaceX came along a serious launch provider, ESA conducted a study on the financial viability of reuseable rockets. The conclusion was, that they are viabke, technically feasible but only financially interestung with a number of launches per year for which there was no demand.
SpaceX for sure is launching a lot of their own Starlink satellites...
> Breakeven in 2 to 3 flights
But then, 7 days ago he posted on https://www.reddit.com/r/ula/comments/17wos9u/tory_bruno_ceo...
> As I have said before, propulsive fly-back generally requires an average reuse of 10x per booster, which has been achieved.
So maybe it is difference between SMART (catch by helicopter) re-use and propulsive landing
But he does acknowledge in comments that reuse can improve launch cadence.
Today, it seems, a lot of the launch volume comes from Starlink, which is basically SpaceX in-house demand for something we have no clue about its financial viability or profitability. Hence, I am quite sceptic about a lot of the space launch stuff. We have quite reliable numbers for SpaceX competitors (launch costs, development...) while SpaceX is somewhat of a black box. That alone makes comparing claims from SpaceX (which might well be true, but we cannot tell either way) to verifiable numbers from others dubious at best.
Starlink has been their solution to that but it is still an open question how well that makes money and for how long...
And we have not really seen a space market exploding behind it.
Starlink achieved cash-flow breakeven it seems: https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-says-starlink-h...
But the journalism... that statement is only in the title.
Edit: This is the first time I hear the term "Cash-Flow Break-even"... Is this metric from the same set as "Cash-flow before outside investment" and "Community adjusted EBITDA"?
What's questionable is starlink, starship and Falcon Heavy
Sure, now no-one questions whether landing a rocket is possible at all and whether it is worth it.
We have completely lost visionary people ever since the fall of the USSR. Our politicians are mere managers (and often enough, they're extremely bad even in that role), our economy leaders largely only care about their own bottom line, and while our universities generally churn out decent graduates, they completely dropped the ball on innovation, research and actually retaining staff - made more difficult by the fact that we don't have absurd amounts of money sloshing around from donations, estates and other sources.
Comparing private companies to public funded ones is such a ill founded idea... I can't even begin to comprehend the optics of most in this thread, if I'm being honest.
"Non-response". Renault had electric vehicles on the market in 2012 (Zoe), same year as the Tesla Model S. The BMW i3 came out in 2013. Different focus, slightly slower research for some groups to get a common platform (e.g. VW), but it's not like there was absolutely nothing and it took 10 years for European car manufacturers to realise EVs can work.
Without any idea of the market demand. At the current cost of developing new Platforms (a few billions), you could understand being risk adverse. Low sales would have killed the whole companies.
It takes about three weeks to reuse a Falcon 9 first stage and no major parts are exchanged. Which indicates that, unlike with the Space Shuttle, the refurbishment is pretty straightforward.
New parts and work of qualified humans are two biggest cost items and if both are obviously not that high, the total cost of reuse cannot be that high.
What a ridiculous statement...
This just in, blowing up your car is cheaper than refilling the tank, wow!
There's proof right now btw, in SpaceX's Falcon prices vs others.
Plus the common sense that remaking something is more expensive than not.
Done properly, reusable will always be cheaper, inheritly.
So for the Space Shuttle reusability did not pay off, because it had a low flight rate and a very high cost of refurbishment (the Solid Rocket Boosters in particular probably never paid off- due to the landing into the ocean and the salt-water dunking they had to be fully taken apart after every flight, inspected, and put back together, and that meant that you actually had labor costs of twice the work of just assembling a new one- the materials cost savings was simply not worth that). This is one reason that SpaceX ended up abandoning their original plan of recovering engines from the ocean, though they were trying to do it much harder with liquid fuel engines rather than the simple solids that STS used.
One interesting thing about SpaceX (a privately held company, which does not publish useful financials) is that they have also claimed they invested a lot into the factory for churning out engines with many fewer man-hours than their western competitors. That investment might not make sense if you are counting on reusing all your engines many times before they are replaced- unless you are looking at many many launches of Falcon Heavy, which I will be curious to see if they actually do (the market for super heavy rockets like that has never really existed at more than 5ish a year, and I'm personally uncertain if satellite internet can get there).
Before SpaceX came along, the (Russian) Progress company was the cheapest in the world, with their R7 Semyorka (Soyuz 2 is the modern version) rocket family. That was because the Soviet Union had invested in a very heavily automated, highly productive launch factory (they launched a bucket-dropping spy satellite every two weeks, plus manned launches, Progress resupply flights, Molniya commsats, etc. so they had a very high flight rate) that needed very little in the way of manpower to make their engines and rockets- and that investment definitely paid off, the R-7 family has flown into space more than any other rocket in human history. But making it reusable and investing heavily in highly automated production tend to cut against each other as solutions to the cost problem until you get to extremely high flight rates.
Whether you think that at current flight rates the numbers point to re-usability comes down to how much you trust Musk the businessman (personally not very much), and how much you trust Shotwell to manage Musk and bring the company to a good place in spite of Musk's random perturbations (personally I have great faith in Gwynne, but your mileage may vary).
there is no proof that re-using something expensive instead of throwing it away every single time is more economical?
You might want to reconsider that opinion