This is wanting one’s cake and eating it too.
Facebook makes a product. Users use it. In the past, people reasonably complained that there was no way to pay without compromising one’s privacy. Now there is. (I want enforcement to confirm that those paying are not being tracked. But given that constitutes fraud, it will be enforced.)
Rejecting tracking and paying is like rejecting ad-corrupted journalism and paywalls: it isn’t a principled stance, it’s just wanting free stuff.
And paying for a service does not mean that the relationship is not abusive. Meta would be happy to collect both money and data from all parties.
It's not wanting free stuff. "Meta", and many many web services, literally scream "hey here's a free way to connect with your friends" or whatever their pitch is. And then operate in ways that violate the rights of the people they attract to use their service in the name of "more money" (note, more money because the reality of it is that Meta could easily offer privacy and still operate, just at lower profits). Offering a paid version, in the way that this does, is putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. It's holding you hostage and saying "you can use this the way we intend and we'll violate your privacy or you can pay for that to not happen".
When in reality the proper way to have such an exchange would be to say "Dear Users, the service we provide you costs $200 a year, however if you would like that to be free you can opt in to these incredibly hostile and violating contracts if you would like". But, we all know that no one would join that service because it's too honest about its exploitative nature and so the user-hostile nature of these companies goes on ad nauseam.
In other words, they want to pretend that they are allowing users to freely choose between paying or seeing their information used in ads, but even if the GDPR does allow pay-or-OK consent schemes - this is itself an unsettled legal question - it’s far from clear that declining an unaffordably priced alternative counts as the kind of free consent the GDPR requires for consent-based processing. Lots of cases are still working their way through European DPAs and courts.
And, frustratingly, I don’t think they promise no tracking even with the subscription. They just promise not to use the information for ads. They still allow themselves to process your data for many other purposes which under EU law should have a way to say no.
Alternatively, they’re selling their product with an ad-supported tier.
> I don’t think they promise no tracking even with the subscription
This is annoying. But people are willing to pay to avoid ads. I imagine the wanting-free-stuff-masked-as-principles constituency is stronger in the privacy community. (Also, the overlap of people who would pay for privacy and are on Facebook is small.)
This action is explicitly about responding to EU GDPR regulations by trying to claim that people who decline a subscription are freely giving consent to the processing which the subscription would stop. From the official rulings which have so far been made about other companies by a few DPAs, it’s highly doubtful that the prohibitively high price for this tier will qualify as a viable enough alternative to the no-fee option to treat people’s consent to the processing as freely given.
> This is annoying.
This is Meta engaging in outright dishonest subterfuge, because the law with which they’re trying to fake compliance through this subscription option is not limited to advertising in any way.
> Also, the overlap of people who would pay for privacy and are on Facebook is small.
Not in my estimation. Too many professional and social circumstances in too many countries require using Facebook, Instagram, and/or especially WhatsApp for most people to avoid them completely.
For those of us (including me) who have never so far signed up with them, there’s another problem: they don’t provide a way for me to exercise my GDPR rights without being a subscriber, even though I strongly expect that they control and process much data about me uploaded by friends and family who are their users, and by Facebook tracking on other sites. (For those HN readers who realize that I’m American: I currently reside in and am located in Germany, so yes I have GDPR rights.)
Not sure why EU is entitled to Meta's charity. They currently pay for the service via ads and data; they're now being allowed to choose to pay via ads/data or pay via subs.
If this is ruled illegal, the almost certain next step is everyone pays a fee or no / minimal use of the services allowed.