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> Keep supporting the genocide

Israel has 2.1M arabs, the descendents of the arabs that stayed after 1948 when arab states declared war on Israel.

Israeli arabs have better lives than in any Arab state. They can vote for their own leaders, be elected to parliament, be of a different sect of Islam without concern for their safety, leave Islam without concern for their safety, be gay without concern for their safety, and serve in the IDF.

Arabs in Qatar and the UAE and west bank and Gaza wish they had the freedoms of Arabs in Israel.

Ask any Jewish person in Tel Aviv and they'll tell you the best Hummus in town is actually not in Tel Aviv, it's at Abu Hassan in Yafo (the smaller one near the coast).

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That's absolutely false. Arabs in Israel do not have the same rights as Israeli Jews and I'm not talking about Palestinians.

thats absolutely false, I have lived in haifa for years and nearly all my friends are arabs and druze.. they have the exact same rights as I do, only they dont have to go to the army (though some choose to !)

Be more specific. I can’t respond if you can’t identify what is false.

It's all documented in a Human Rights Watch report: https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...

You're not the person I was speaking to, and that report seems off topic, talking about arabs outside Israel, who, like anyone outside any country, obviously does not have the same rights in the country as the country's own citizens.

Just ask the Arabs in Israel if they feel like first-class citizens. Any connection with Arab countries and Arab ethnicities makes you a target of systemic discrimination.

I have. They say sure there’s discrimination (individual rather than systemic), but they also have better lives than anywhere else in the middle east, and that other arabs like to pretend they don’t exist.

"Better" in which way?

Israeli arabs can vote, run for office, don't have issues with sectarian violence, leave Islam without the threat of violence, have sex sex relationships without the threat of violence, there's no extended royal family that are allowed to impose their will on others. Compare to the UAE, Qatar, or Gaza.

Most Palestinians are Arabs, too. Why are they treated differently?

Same reason that French people don’t have equivalent rights to British people in Britain.

It's not the same. Before 1948, even Jews in Palestine had Palestinian passports. They were all Palestinians. Jews were Palestinian Jews, and there were Jews all around the Middle East and Africa.

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