That's already twice too much for my budget. But since we need to have less cars on the roads, maybe Tesla is just puching in the right direction :-)
I would have the budget for such a price, but I certainly wouldn't want to pay it. For official business there are company cars and I drive perhaps 5000 km per year. I still have a car and I need it to visit some more remote people and for convenience.
Paid 2.5k for it and I have it since a few years. I do have a mechanic, so repairs are cheap, but you can guess about my expectations for buying the next car. Haven't seen EV with attractive prices yet.
If you buy a ten year old Nissan Leaf for, it will still be quite usable and be desirable enough that people are willing to pay a lot more than 2.5K for it. And if the time comes, you can put a new battery in it for 4-5K or so and drive it for another decade+.
And of course there aren't that many EVs that old around to begin with because the market was relatively new and small ten years ago. Most EVs on the road are probably younger than 3 years or so. They'll be on the road for a long time and might change owner a lot. But it will take some time to trickle down.
Electric cars in general will be the only option. The big countries in the EU are banning selling new petrol cars in 2035. So they'll definitely succeed, there's no option!
Not everyone is living in Amsterdam, Berlin, London,... city center.
I lived there for a couple of years during my CERN days.
They will "succeed" because the government will force us to use them. It's us citizens who will succeed or fail to have freedom to move, depending on how wealthy we are ;)
Here is a Nissan Leaf from 2011 for 5K:
https://www.marktplaats.nl/v/auto-s/nissan/m2041841167-nissa...
There is no mention of remaining battery capacity, only the original is listed.
For that kind of money you can fairly easily find a Renault, Skoda or if you're lucky a VW with lower mileage and probably a newer model year.
A car is not a luxury good: it's something I buy because I have to. I'll go Dacia this time.
But also more then what a good part of the population is willing to afford to pay for a car. Weather hear or in the US a lot of people buy second,third,fourth hand.
And that's a problem I think massively underestimated, a least currently electric cars are kinda badly suited for being resold, especially if they come from companies with pretty bad service/walled garden reputation like Tesla.
I would say that the Fiesta is 10k too expensive.
In 1990 you could buy a Golf GTI for 77k french francs, which is 19000 euros today. And that was the best golf money could buy.
Today the absolute base model Golf costs 32k euros. The current GTI starts at 48k. Even the polo starts at 19k+, and that's the shittiest vw you can buy.
The bottom line is back in the day any working person could buy a bas model shitbox, now the low class workers needs a 10 years loan to do the same
>It turns out that a driver of a car 18 or more years old is 71 percent more likely to die in a bad crash than the driver of a car three years old or newer.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/09/study-measu...
A lot actually, it's not legal to drive them in a lot of city centers
71% more than virtually 0 is not really a problem imho. And still, we could have modern cheap cars with modern crash safety for much less than the computers on wheel they're trying to sell us
Looking at how much material it takes to make and how complex it is, I would expect a car to cost ~100 more than a bike, but in reality it's more like ~10 more
Price is never about the material used... an iphone would be $200 if it was the case. Look into economy of scale, how money is made through maintenance/parts/after sale services, &c.
I said complexity and materials. An iPhone is extremely complex but it's only so cheap because electronics scale extremely well, probably only software does better.
Logically there should be more bikes than cars so the economy of scale should be in their favor. Bike maintenance isn't cheap either. Cars need to go through much more certification etc.
The more I think about it the less sense it makes. I think there's crazy competition on cars, but not on bikes.
> Logically there should be more bikes than cars
There are twice as many cars than bikes in France from what I can find online, not sure about the rest of the world.
A supermarket bike, not suitable if you're a bit serious and many repair shops will refuse to repair them because it's not worth it. For a decent bike you'd probably paying at least 3-4x more.
>There are twice as many cars than bikes in France from what I can find online, not sure about the rest of the world.
Google tells me worldwide daily production of bikes is 300.000 and cars 100.000. (IMO It would really be sad if it was otherwise)
Fair point but what I meant in my initial post is even a top of the line Trek Slash doesn't have a quarter of the technology included in the lowest end Fiat Panda. Even the best e-bikes are still quite simple compared to a car.
And I say that as a bike nerd.