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It's the Health Ministry in Gaza and they've released the exact names of all 6,747 people they could account for.

The UN said just 5 days ago that the figure was 5k. Given the increase in intensity 7k does not at all seem unreasonable to me

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142687

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"Health Ministry in Gaza" literally the health ministry of Hamas. Why would such organization lie? /s

As I understand it, historically it's been fairly accurate and reliable. Does this guarantee they're accurate today? No. Do I blindly trust anything that's being said? No. But merely "it's Hamas, therefore the figures are false" also doesn't really cut it.

See e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-c...

A week ago, when Hamas dropped a rocket on THEIR OWN hospital, the "Health Ministry" said Israel killed 500 people. Despite it not being Israel, and it not killing 500 people.

They are just straight up lying

Hamas did not drop a rocket on a Gazan hospital. Not even Israel said that. And the case is still under investigation. No honest person could claim there's without a doubt enough evidence to accuse a specific party

No one claims that's what happened; there are claims that a misfire from Palestinian Islamic Jihad caused the explosion. This seems entirely plausible, perhaps even likely, but as of yet it's not 100% clear. Absolutely no one suggest that it was somehow an intentional attack on their own people.

Could just have been some yahoos firing a rocket from the bushes and getting it wrong, and that Hamas has just as much information as the rest of us do. That is, basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOhN-SaH-s

Here's the MoH channel https://t.me/s/MOHMediaGaza

I don't see why you put the "Health Ministry" in quotes. If you scroll prior to 7th oct you'd see content any normal health ministry in any country would produce.

Just so much demonization going on, these days.

What nonsense. You could sit 500 people directly on top of one of those Hamas rockets, detonate it, and it wouldn't kill 500 people. Those people are not dealing with state of the art military equipment.

Danidin wrote:

> "Health Ministry in Gaza" literally the health ministry of Hamas. Why would such organization lie?

This is language that justifies death, by minimizing it. There are likely not perfect, but in the past numbers from the Gaza health ministry haven't been wildly wrong: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-dou...

1. Hamas says over 7,300 killed in war; UN backs toll [1]

2. Despite Biden's doubts, humanitarian agencies consider Gaza toll reliable [2]

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-says-over...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-dou...

The UN estimated 5k 5 days ago.

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