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Is it so much to ask for professionalism from law enforcement? "We beat your team" is not enough to warrant violating anyones rights - it's not even that impolite in general.
No it's not too much to ask, and we should not only ask but demand professionalism from them.
And please re-read the very first part of my comment, because I never said anything remotely close to it being "enough to warrant violating anyones rights" (in fact I said the opposite, that the arrest was BS).
Now, requiring cops to be superhuman and completely immune to having any emotions affect their highly subjective judgment, is never going to work. At least not until we replace the humans with AI. Humans are not capable of completely rational thought, in fact we're almost entirely the opposite: we make decisions emotionally, and then justify them rationally. Asking a cop to cease being human is a recipe for failure and goes against what we know about neuroscience.
About the "we beat your team" not even being impolite, firstly if you watch the video, that was not the only thing he said, but also do you not see what that was about? Keep in mind this is a college football player talking to a person who previously played college football. It was standard jock high-school bullshit from a tribal person to another tribal person (he plays football, and he's extensively inquiring about the cops football past during this). It was an attempt to belittle the cop, and it's the type of petty behavior I expect from children. You can't just take the one line and strip it from all of its context and evaluate it independently. At least you can't do that if you actually want to understand how and why it was said and evaluate the situation.
Disclaimer since people seem incapable of non-binary thinking: None of this excuses the cops behavior
At that point I don't think it was clear that the cop was determined to make a false DUI arrest. That came much later. At that point though the copy definitely seemed convinced that the kid was drinking, but he was still working through it. It's definitely possible that had the kid maintained his original demeanor that the cop might have changed his mind during or after the tests, but after the insults and stuff there was no way for him to back out without feeling stupid and like the kid "won."
Normally I wouldn't bother saying this next part but people seem intent today on reading more into my comments than is actually there, so to be clear, none of that justifies the cop's behavior and arrest. The cop was being a petty emotional asshole and his conduct was disgusting and despicable.
>cops are humans and if you stoop to personal insults it's not going to make them want to be nice to you.
Ugh, I actually cringed a bit while reading this victim blaming. No one deserves to be arrested because they were a smartass, or because they called someone a rookie. Holy moly.
> I agree this cop is an abusive dick and this arrest is bogus and should never have happened
Everything after that first sentence is blaming the victim.
> The petty insults throughout the process about him being a "rookie" and the "we beat <your team> last week" did not help him at all.
Do you think the petty insults did help the kid?
> Of course it's not illegal to be a smartass
Does this somehow seem like me defending the arrest?
> but pro-tip for people in the future: cops are humans
Are cops not human?
> if you stoop to personal insults it's not going to make them want to be nice to you.
Do you think that personal insults make cops want to be nice to you? (assuming you don't disagree with the earlier part about cops being human).
Yes, protip, abandon your rights so man children don’t get upset. This is clearly the best decision.
This comment is sick.
> This comment is sick.
Please enlighten me, what rights do you think I was suggesting people should abandon?
Firstly, I'm specifically saying there should NOT be consequences to him from what he said to the cop. That's bogus, unprofessional, and terrible.
But that said you also have responsibility for your speech that goes along with the freedom. Do you think people should just say every single thing that comes to their minds to their peers at work?
If not, then are you (as you suggest about me) saying people should abandon their 1A rights at work?
Or would you (much more sensibly IMHO) say that if you go around being a dick to people then it's going to affect the way they treat you and the boss you keep insulting isn't going to feel full of love toward you and want to promote you.
Telling somebody to use their free speech responsibly (which is what I am doing) is not in any way the same thing as telling them to abandon their right to free speech.
If it's a right, there is no "responsibly". It is a right. That's what rights are. To suggest "Well maybe sometimes don't" implies they aren't rights.
Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice.
I _can_ honestly say that I expect the law enforcement officers that I pay out of my tax dollars to not act like fascist gestapo children and uphold my rights, as is literally their job.
> it's an is/ought fallacy because the real world doesn't work that way.
Because of people like you enabling bad behavior.
> People get offended by things people say all the time, and they treat those people differently because of it.
Yep. And then they get fired (or they should, but again, apologists like yourself make it all too easy to stay in power).
> Telling somebody they should say whatever they want and there should be no consequences for it because you have a right to free speech is absolutely awful advice.
Point out where I said there will be no consequences. And then once you realize I didn't, respond again if you'd like with a more coherent take? Because "Someone might get mad if you exercise your rights" is, to be honest, pretty ridiculous.
People respond not to what you actually said, but rather to what they think you secretly meant.