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That's simply not true, studies were placebo-controlled until after administration of approved vaccines have started everywhere. No voices towards giving placebo branch the vaccine started before March 2021 when most vulnerable population and a good chunk of population overall was already vaccinated by "production" vaccine. Some studies eventually gave vaccine to placebo participants (thus ending the trial) in mid-2021, some never did. In any case, vaccine authorisation was in all cases based on studies with proper placebo control.

And no, mRNA vaccines are still in use everywhere in the European Union. Vaccination against Covid in general has been withdrawn from the wide public because it's no longer worth the cost and risks, because everyone today has some level of immunity and today's Covid strains are a lot less dangerous, so it's worth the scoop for only most vulnerable population groups.

Moveover, mRNA vaccines for other viruses are being tested and used after the Covid success and there is no talk about limiting or banning the technology. Your posts looks like some conspiracy theory.

Oops, yeah when I said mRNA shots, I meant the spike protein ones, as those are currently the only ones. I didn’t mean to imply a whole class of products.

I would think if there were to be anymore there would be much more skepticism and questions though, given that so many got these under the pretence of not getting Covid and then they still got Covid and in many cases some unpleasant side effects from the shots to boot.

Is there a study with the control group having not been “uncontrolled” and thus potential for further longer term data?

Vaccine testing never considered probability of asymptomatic infection and never gave any promise about it. They only tested for probability of symptoms, hospitalisation, and death. If someone took vaccine thinking it will make them immune in the sense of avoiding infection altogether it's their problem/misperception.

>If someone took vaccine thinking it will make them immune in the sense of avoiding infection altogether it's their problem/misperception.

Seems a little harsh to blame people themselves for being wrong if simply for the reason of taking at their words authorities like the president of the USA, the head of the cdc, the head of the nih, and many more on down the line.

Detailed results of clinical studies that were used to apply for emergency authorisation of vaccines were widely discussed in all kinds of press of all political leanings. They explicitly stated that there were no studies about probability of asymptomatic infection. IIRC Pfizer study counted as "positive cases" (for both vaccine and control group) the one that had both a positive covid test AND two of the six primary symptoms, or a positive test AND breathing difficulties/reduced blood oxygen levels, as a single sufficient serious symptom. They did not count asymptomatic infections.

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