Extroverts more likely to resist vaccines, study shows
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edit, some possible causalities:
- the study was somehow biased to define as extroverted people who ignored quarantine
- extroverts who ignored quarantine were more likely to get COVID, which they believed gave them a similar level of immunity
- my aforementioned moral equivocation, like, if I'm ignoring this it's because people telling me what to do must be wrong, etc.
I have had every vaccination I could, because I grew up in a country where they really meant something. Ever seen measles in person? You will be running to get every COVID shot you can once you've seen such things. In my observation, people with wide international backgrounds trend away from extroversion.
Believed correctly
> Believed correctly
Research disagrees:
https://www.immunology.org/public-information/vaccine-resour...
Raw case rates normalized by pop size from the UK: vaccinated people were getting COVID at 3x-4x the rate of the unvaccinated by the time they stopped reporting the figures. Natural immunity was actually much better than the vaccine because it developed whole-virus protection to all the proteins not just the spike, so you don't get Hoskin's Effect and variants find it harder to evade.
Citation needed.
This guy documented it really well.
You'll have to sign in to look at his other posts.
Just search "uk infection rates" or some such on his profile.
from:tlowdon uk infection rates
Nothing in his analysis is right. First, he uses that infection stats for a variant (Omicron), but the vaccine targeted the origina known to be less effective against it. So technically speaking, assuming that most unvaccinated people were infected (and some died) with other variants by then, they were better prepared against Omicron. Not making and distributing an Omicron-specific vaccine was a logistics issue, not a technical one.
That being said, remember that Omicron turned out to be a relatively less lethal variant, so being vaccinated was a net win, because a percentage of anti-vaccine people died with the original virus, and the Delta variant while trying to gain natural immunisation against it. We can't compare the risks of vaccination and actually getting sick.
Second, he is comparing case numbers (not deaths, or hospitalisations), which won't work, because it only demonstrates that vaccinated people are more likely to go and get tested when they feel sick, and unvaccinated people are less likely as anti-vaccine community (I know that not all unvaccinated people are anti-vaccine) generally don't think that they have a responsibility to keep other people safe.
But, for many other folks, it was decidedly not mild at all. The funny thing is you don't hear as much from the latter group of folks - because, extrovert or not, lots of them stopped talking altogether.
Yeah I get what you’re saying, something like sunk cost, or inertia, though not exactly, as you say.
To me, leaving aside the positing here of extroversion, I think the strongest correlation was something like an iq test, or critical thinking test.
At the time of the “you must get injected, and if you don’t you’re despicable, and if you refuse we’re going to hold you down and stick it in you” campaign it was entirely clear, if not well before then, that the actual risk of the COVID infection itself to anyone in even reasonably good health was far below being injected with some experimental gene modification thing.
I think most people above a certain iq percentile looking into the method of proposed action that was presumed to be effective, which of course wasn’t, thought “WTF why would I want to experimentally modify my genes in response to this? That seems insane.”
Then there was the outright lying in claims being bandied about. The initial studies in no way showed that it stopped infection, transmission, or death. But that’s all you ever heard.
In December 2020 I saw a short news report from a hospital in France I think covering some of the earliest injections. Somewhere towards the end of that report it was said “It’s a vaccine just like any other vaccine.” WTF I thought, that’s exactly the opposite of what it is, it is a “vaccine” completely different from any other.
Then by July 2021 the buzzwords had shifted to calling things like serious heart issues (any heart issue, is a serious issue) mild. “Oh they’re just having some mild heart issues, no biggie.”
It was a completely egregious, evil abomination all round.
Back to the correlations, it didn’t really follow iq linearly like income or health outcomes or other socioeconomic data tends to, it was more the reserve of the far extents of the bell curve as shown in the mid wit bell curve meme.
Using level of educational attainment as a proxy for iq, not a perfect correlate of course, those with phds were indeed the least likely to fall for the injections among those with post secondary degrees according to the data I’ve seen.
Then a somewhat separate matter was those who were put in the ghastly situation of being made to choose between their livelihoods, or seeing their family, or whatnot, and being injected.
I can see some high iq critical thinkers making tough decisions under that level of coercion.
MRNA doesn't modify genes, that's not how MRNA works at all, it flows downstream from DNA. I would hope the so called high IQ critical thinkers would spend a few minutes on how MRNA, RNA, and DNA work.
The whole thing reads like the Dunning-Kruger effect in action. MRNA is very interesting and works like programming, because the cell's machinery is like a Turing machine protein printer that reads MRNA like the Turing machine tape, so it's extra ironic that on Hacker News we have people with limited idea of how it even works, but are confident that it somehow 'edits genes'. Respiratory viruses are fundamentally bits of MRNA that tell cells to make virus copies. When you have heard of flu or cold viruses editing genes?
How much percentage of people in western countries are in generally good health anyway? See how many more deaths happened in Biden counties vs. Trump's because of people falling for pseudo-scientific misinformation like you.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/19/1098543849/pro-trump-counties...
So many sad victims of self serving political misinformation.
> Using level of educational attainment as a proxy for iq, not a perfect correlate of course, those with phds were indeed the least likely to fall for the injections among those with post secondary degrees according to the data I’ve seen.
What data have you seen? Even in the self reported survey that was used for misinformation to mislead people like you, 75% of PhDs said they would vaccinate.
https://www.wnct.com/news/north-carolina/fact-check-setting-...
Not to mention 95% of actual medical doctors in a survey. Derek Lowe had great articles on Covid throughout.
Putting this particular mRNA, a gene, into your body modifies the set of genes in your body, because now there is a new one, and it evokes a response in a way that eating the dna, also genes, of asparagus or a cow does not.
The point stands, at that point, fear mongering aside, the Covid risk profile was pretty well understood, the risk profile of the experimental gene therapy was not.
Regardless of what you want to call it, it turns out to have been a bad idea for reasons of “original antigenic sin”, immune system disruptions due to heightened levels of IgG4 or some other factors leading to injected people becoming more susceptible to the virus, and the host of issues that may or may not be tied to the gene modifying but to the lipid delivery mechanism or something else, heart issues, fertility disruptions, shingles, Guillain–Barré syndrome, etc. etc.
Whatever terminology you want to use the winning move was to not play the game.
Do you know how many countries that once used them have now barred the use of the mRNA injections for at least a portion of their population?
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IgG4 Antibodies Induced by Repeated Vaccination May Generate Immune Tolerance to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37243095/
You are repeating how the tech works in theory, not how the vaccines work in reality.
In reality, the vaccines can do this. That's because the "process 2" manufacturing that was switched to post-approval scales much better but yields vaccines heavily contaminated with DNA, not just RNA. If you smuggle DNA into cells using the lipid nanoparticle tricks then it can be incorporated into your own DNA yielding never ending spike protein production and immune tolerance.
There's testimony by a scientist who sequenced residue from vials and discovered the problem here, but it was suspected even before that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWHhrHiiTY
He says he would no longer take the vaccines knowing what he knows now.
There are a whole bunch of case reports where this appears to have happened. Patients who end up always testing positive for spike protein for example, despite not being infected with SARS-CoV-2.
> The whole thing reads like the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
It's actually the opposite. Over-educated people constantly confuse the map for the terrain due to a naive belief in the angel-like nature of everyone in the same social class as themselves. Then they assume anyone who disagrees must be misinformed.
The people who are most pro-COVID vaccine are, in my experience, people with degrees who also know very little about it beyond what they've been told by pop sci media and public health authorities. The idea that what they've told might not be true is just inconceivable to them, and the luxury belief of intellectual superiority to the rubes is just too tempting to pass up. People who are skeptical are engaging directly with the collected evidence, not just what theory says that evidence should be.
This is the current state of scientific investigation, if you like it or not.
Maybe one of those who has been emotionalised confronted with this information can explain.
Hard data from Sweden showing lower IQ = more vaccine hesitancy
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20230912/Does-IQ-influence...
Another study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8133799/
At least not one with any kind of direct, first, or second order connection to actual current biological | medical research.
That's the kind of crazy largely limited to self assessed high IQ types that never really got out in the wide world and talked to others in other fields.
Injecting mRNA, a gene, into your body modifies the set of genes in your body. Due to the new gene in your body your cells produce a protein they otherwise would not have. The reason anybody ever thought this was a good idea was to mitigate against an overblown risk from infection by a novel virus. People’s wariness toward the virus was understandable though given the many strange questions around it and the bizarre, unprecedented, inhumane, response provoked in many countries.
This whole notion of putting a gene in the body to evoke a response doesn’t haven’t any long track record of understanding behind it, therefore terming it experimental makes sense.
Thus, experimental gene modification.
I’d guess there might be some fancy statistics term to describe the intuitive calculation for some of us high iq critical thinkers that said don’t add on a potentially very large upside of risk onto something for the purposes of possibly mitigating a very small range of downside risk.
And now with all the complications arising from the shots that intuition was clearly correct. Even if all the issues hadn’t become apparent it would still be the right call for those with that limited range of downside risk from the virus to have not tacked on additional unknown risk from the injections.
Do you know how many countries that once used the mRNA injections have now barred their use for some or most of their populations?
> Do you know how many countries that once used the mRNA injections have now barred their use for some or most of their populations?
How many, and how many still ban their use?
Of those that restricted use two years ago in 2021 pending epidemiology results on potential myocardial associations, how many did that because of fears of "gene editing"?
Our genes are not edited nor added to and the point stands - no actual high IQ person with any real world medical exposure direct or second order ever actually thought that such editing (or addition) took place.
That was strictly a social media rumour easily debunked both then and now.
I’m calling a situation where a new gene is introduced into the body by means of injection and this new gene in the overall body system causes a new behaviour in cells, “experimental gene modification.”
There’s a set of all the genes in your body, then an mRNA injection occurs, now there is a new gene added to the set of all the genes in your body at least temporarily. This new gene is added with the intent to provoke a response.
I’m not saying it alters the genes you are born with from your parents.
Call it experimental gene therapy or something like that if you like, a distinction without much difference I think.
I don’t know about in 2021, the countries I’m talking about were initially fully on board like most western countries, as far as I know. Starting with Denmark, now I think most of Northern Europe and Australia have largely restricted use owing to the “efficacy rate” having settled at somewhere between 0% and -n%. The host of negative side effects and the utter absurdity of ever having mass injected these not well understood, no long term safety data things into healthy populations in the first place.
Probably more countries than that if you have a look around.
Eg.
https://www.psu.edu/news/story/people-high-narcissism-less-l...
Its more like, "Everyone needs to do X so that everyone can BE safer."
The weakest link in a chain ...
No. "Everybody must do X so we are more safe". Given that you're mentioning the evidence, the effectiveness of covid vaccines isn't about feelings. The narcissism is of course in the notion "everyone else will be less safe, because I want to feel more free."
Why are you assuming that it’s “I” and not “everyone”? In my experience it’s the latter.
In the US, lots of surveys have shown a 30-35 point gap between Democrats and Republicans for COVID vaccines, though I'm not sure where those numbers landed in the end. So even though 18 points seems like a pretty big spread, it's ignoring the elephant in the room.
Also being a Democrat or a Republican is not a biological trait, and it is strongly affected by the environment, education, family etc. Extrovert vs introvert closer to being left handed vs right handed.
I always assumed it was more learned. I used to be introverted but that was more due to low self esteem and now I’m more confident and rather extroverted
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874623/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18075477/
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10519-015-973...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_political_orient...
A friend of mine who lives in the US did, on purpose, during the Covid SNAFU, several vaccines he hadn't done in a long time. But he didn't get the COVID vaccine: it was a statement. To anyone saying he was "anti-vax" he'd answer: "I'm not anti-vax, I just had this and that vaccines done".
It was mostly a statement among the many lies of the states, including those saying mask weren't working, then saying they were working and mandatory, then saying HCQ wasn't working (and now it's proven it does work), then saying it was totally impossible the virus leaked from a lab (which is now accepted as a theory that has legs), etc. The lies are just endless.
And he's no dumb guy. Some here have worked for him and he semi-recently did a very nice exit.
You cannot constantly lie to citizens and still expect 100% of them to then follow your wishes.
Also all four (available here, pfeizer, J&J, moderna and astrazeneca) vaccines are "safe and efective", then a a few people had major issues with astrazeneca, and a girl here died from J&J, and suddenly "we always recommended mrna vaccines", and then after, only pfeizer was recommended.
I can find you the links to 'not-recommending' (=countries stop using) the astrazeneca, J&J and moderna if you want.
I can also find you the link to CDC director saying that vaccinated people won't get ill and won't spread it.
No it has been proven over and over and over again that it doesn't work. Do you have some sources?
a) HCQ must be given early (~3-4 days or less after symptoms begin) hopefully before the virus has significantly damaged the mouth, throat and lungs. Once the viral damage is done then HCQ efficacy declines rapidly.
b) a zinc supplement is given with HCQ. HCQ helps zinc to enter the cell whereupon the zinc halts/slows viral replication.
c) an antibiotic (e.g., azithromycin) is given with HCQ, not to stop the virus but to halt opportunistic bacterial infections that might otherwise enter tissue damaged by the virus.
So you can see why many hospitalization studies showed HCQ ineffective: those studies waited far too long to use HCQ.
It is claimed that such delays are a technique used in drug trials to discard possible inexpensive drugs and promote other patentable and therefore profitable drugs. See R.F. Kennedy Jr.'s book for details:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=THE+REAL+ANTHONY+FAUCI
The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health
by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
They have lower survivability in the wild and better in captivity. Now the one could be a factor of camouflage, but doesn’t explain the other.
The current theory is that there’s some correlation between orange genes and outgoing/risk taking genes.
Being impulsively friendly as a pet is a plus, being impulsive as a feral gets you killed.
http://archives.algomau.ca/main/sites/default/files/2013-064...
You choose whether to be vaccinated or not and regardless of whether you have been infected or not, getting vaccinated improves your resistance.