Anecdotally, I can remember a burger at a restaurant was about $6 in 1999. Now average seems to be 15 to 20.
I would believe that everything is about 3x the price from 20 years ago. This chart seems to say the average is less than 2x which I don't agree with.
It feels like far fewer restaurants have lunch specials than in 2020, for instance, and a lot of cheap restaurants have either raised prices to the norm or closed. Bars and casinos having discounted or free food to get you to drink has gone out the window (even where legal). And looking back 20 years, it feels like far fewer restaurants have small and simple orders available.
For instance, you used to be able to go into a diner or other casual restaurant and get a hamburger or other sandwich with no fries or side. That’s harder to find now. So is cheap, unremarkable coffee and cheap breakfast items, like small pastries or two-egg plates.
Similarly, it’s harder to find a small car, a house or apartment without central air, a 15 inch TV (though TVs have gotten cheaper), etc.
I think the big one is the people who produce inflation statistics struggle to capture increases when products change, particularly shrinkflation.
The ONS (Who produce the UK inflation statistics) specifically noted limitations in their methodology because when a particular product (whether that's a particular brand, or specific size) is discontinued, they replace it in their subsequent basket with a similar item for measuring inflation but don't measure the change in inflation from the change in product.
For example a 25p can of peas may be withdrawn from sale by the manufacturer, so the next month ONS would switch to checking the price of a 30p can of peas (the next cheapest can). The fact that people who were buying that can of peas now have to pay 5p more for peas is never captured in inflation.
The Big Mac Index shows the price of a big mac in 2000 at $2.24, and now at $5.58, so that would put $1 in 2000 at $2.49 in 2020 which feels a lot closer to the actual number...but still low because everything "around" the entree has also increased similarly, if not more.
But the chickens now live cage-free and (thanks to California) the pigs will now be able to turn around in their pens.
> Anecdotally, I can remember a burger at a restaurant was about $6 in 1999. Now average seems to be 15 to 20.
When you go to a restaurant, you're mostly buying labor.
It's not a good benchmark for food prices.
I don’t think the original comment depended on this being a good benchmark for food prices. Paying more for labor is also part of inflation.
Inflation has been retconned (i.e “Burgers were always $15, what are you talking about?”) They don’t want you to notice as your wealth is slowly stolen through the loss of purchasing power.
Wages have gone up in real terms (how the fed measures inflation). Food, energy, & transport have slightly under-performed inflation.
i.e. there's no way to slice it - the average laborer can afford more food & labor now than in the past.
The linked site differs from Case Shiller - saying that housing has also under-performed inflation. I'm interested how they arrived at that.
Housing is the real problem - and the vast, vast majority of housing in the US is owned by individuals and mom-and-pop investors, not corporations & billionaires.
The idle rich cannot be blamed for our problems in housing - though they can be blamed for other things. On housing, we can only blame ourselves, voting aggressively to curtail development at every opportunity.
Energy is cheaper, but we need more of it with years of back to back escalating extremes for both heating and cooling. Moving somewhere that isn't an impact gets into the housing issue.
And then medical and education are out of control.
Edit: to clarify, I am not laying all this at the feet of the idle rich, nor do I think idleness or wealth are bad things. They are great things we should all strive for for ourselves and others. I lay it at the feet of all of us who have made bad decisions, but some are more responsible than others, and many of those that shaped the policies that lead to these issues are wealthy as a result.
Wages have stagnated, but rent and energy has gone up. It's mostly the rent that you are paying for when you eat out.
Specifically in HCOL coastal cities, we've seen increases to minimum wage, adjustments to the "tipped minimum wage" laws that mean business needs to cover more of the wage, and finally.. labor shortages causing restaurants to pay over even those increased minimums.
It wasn't long ago NYC minimum wage was under $10/hr, with "tipped minimum" being $7/hr. Now you have some restaurants paying $20/hr to get staff.
MSRP of a 99 M3 = 46k; 2023 stating at $74300.
Outside of housing and gas I'm hard-pressed to think of anything that's more than double the cost. GPUs, I suppose, but that's a weird hobby transition + a lot more industrial uses.
That said, housing+gas == huge parts of people's day to day lives, obviously.
Civic is more interesting, since the 2023 base-model Civic has far more technology, far better safety features, automatic transmission, and is quite a big larger than the 2000 model. Wouldn’t be surprised if the 2000 base model Civic didn’t even have power windows. That being said, if all you want is basic transportation, then your choices are much more limited than they were in 2000.
I tried to ask HN about this a day or so ago…
I ate a meal with a drink at Taco Bell for $2-3.
They require “hacking” and careful deal-hunting to get the kind of bargains that used to be available with ordinary specials and coupons and such.
You can still “win” against e.g. Taco Bell, but it’s much harder. Ordinary menu prices everywhere are ripoff-tier.
Taco Bell in particular has gone mad, I don't see how they can survive with current pricing. I used to go often, knowing it wasn't good quality but it was oh so cheap.
Today their prices are so high that I can go to a local taqueria and get a giant burrito with far better and fresher ingredients and friendlier service for less money than a few mystery meat tacos from Taco Bell.
So on the positive side, I now only frequent the local business with good quality food.
OTOH, the prior 10+ years even when inflation wasn’t very high, 1% or so interest rates meant savers were falling farther and farther behind.
Close to 2/3 ($3.95) when introduced in 2001.
The renamed 1/2-pound Original Thickburger is now $5.79, or 1.47× the 2001 price.