Not sure why you are specifically calling out EVs. I think all new cars (gas or electric) have internet connectivity and send all sorts of data home.
Name one. Name one notable person here on HN who wants to "end individual car ownership". Not to offer an alternative for people who don't need to own a car all day every day, but to end it.
That said, I think a lot of non tech savvy people associate the two. My dad dislikes EVs for many reasons Fox News tells him to, but one of them is "self driving cars are never going to be safe or practical". He doesn't get that EVs can exist separate from Tesla self driving shenanigans, or that ICE vehicles are trying to do the same thing.
The most range-anxious person I ever saw was a tesla driver at a rest stop. A traffic accident had put us on a 150km detour though a different mountain valley, one without cellphone connectivity. He was at the first rest stop trying to figure out whether to push on or attempt to turn around and go home. He didn't have the range to go back, and couldn't figure out of there were any chargers 115km forwards at the next town. No cellphone coverage had turned him into a seething ball of indecision.
Doesn’t really seem like a seismic shift in paradigm to be honest. Certainly not to justify a different level of range anxiety than a gas car running a bit low.
It really does, at least for those not living in big cities. It isn't even really about the range. It is about the limited availability of charging infrastructure, and I don't mean charge points. I mean that any gas-powered car can be "recharged" at the roadside. Someone can give you some gas. That isn't a thing for electric cars.
If a town must evacuate, a thing that does happen, you will want the ICEs vehicles that can be refueled quickly and easily in less-than-ideal conditions. A few years ago Fort McMurray Canada had to evacuate ahead of a wildfire. 80,000 people on the road in maybe 30,000 vehicles. The nearest town was over a hundred miles away, the nearest safe place maybe a hundred more. There were trucks handing out gas/diesel along the evac route to keep people moving. Such an impromptu evacuation would not have been possible using EVs. Evac situations also tend to coincide with loss of grid power (fires/hurricanes/flooding) which only further complicates the problem. Lots of people in small towns keep extra gas at home, or at least know how to syphon gas quickly between vehicles. EVs cannot do such tings.
This is, in fact, precisely backward. A fully charged EV will stomp all over a fully gassed ICE in a stop and go evacuation situation.
EVs don't have to idle. So, unlike older combustion engines, they don't use energy unless moving, and they recover most of the same energy when braking. At very low speeds, EVs stomp all over combustion engines. You don't need to refuel people because the EV isn't running out of gas from idling in stopped traffic.
More modern combustion engines turn themselves off. But, even that has its limits as you can't recover the start stop energy like an EV can.
>> It is about the limited availability of charging infrastructure
You begin most days at home, do you need more than the charging infra? You start each day with the ability to drive 2-4 hours. Are you planning to spend more time driving most days?
An EV sat at home has 80% range. You don’t leave them fully charged usually, for the sake of battery longevity but you absolutely want any excess solar in your remote property being added to your EV rather than sent back to the grid.
That may be more range than the gas car sat next to it on an idle Tuesday when an emergency hits. Who keeps a gas car fully topped up at all times?
With an ev in a remote location, you start every day with 80%. That gas car you meant to fill up when you were next in town? Good luck because:
>> Evac situations also tend to coincide with loss of grid power (fires/hurricanes/flooding)
This means the gas pumps are off. They use electricity, plus the staff are evacuating anyway.
Need to cross a now flooded road? You might have to hitch a ride across in an EV, your gas cars intake might be too low and end up with the engine hydro-locked.
> Are you planning to spend more time driving most days?
Where I live in a sparse rural area, if you take a vehicle out it is very likely to be for a minimum of four hours, distances are large and any vehicles are work horses, if they're not travelling they're putting in an 8 hour shift (minimum).
> Who keeps a gas car fully topped up at all times?
We do, and most of our neighbours do, in our case this goes to my father who was born in 1935 and still keeps things "ready to go", be it cars, tools, spare generators, etc.
The vehicles are filled and there are spare jerry cans, full, in the sheds.
Our neighbours are ready to fight fires on five minutes notice, they've got tenders topped with fuel and water and all times, etc.
> This means the gas pumps are off. They use electricity,
What the literal F? - Sure they have electric motors but they (the local ones here at least) have attachable hand cranks not to mention the servo has a "generator" that provides "electricity" when the main grid is down.
> Need to cross a now flooded road? ... your gas cars intake might be too low
Say what? I cannot recall the last time I saw a 4x4 without a snorkel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC5ld79joIA
I'm guessing you're city born and bred?
A tow truck by contrast will cost you $100 to get you to a gas station. Tow trucks are great services if the problem is more than out of gas (and some of them will bring gas for less, but you still pay for the service), but there are not what most people use when out of gas.
With a 60 kw battery that is about 2% of the battery per minute. Or 1.2kw/minute and I get 3.7 mi/km, so about 4.3 miles of range a minute.
I'm assuming regen is designed to be used for short periods when slowing down, I wonder how long it can be used continuously.
Also, what would be the requirements for the towing vehicle? 70 kW of extra load is no joke, and car engines are generally not designed to handle heavy loads for extended periods of time.
Some vehicles could maybe handle towing an extra 70kw (~100hp). You could always use a lesser regen level more suitable to the towing vehicle too.