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As a Swede born and raised in Stockholm but no longer live there I wonder if delivery trucks and people working (carpenters etc) will be excempt from these rules? This is a serious question because the changes comes (mainly) from a radical left wing political party that had deliveries on the subway as a serious solution to banning car traffic.

Personally I don't really care since I don't live in Stockholm anymore but that city is very hostile against car traffic in general (which is stupid in my opinion). Finding a parking space in the outskirts of the city is very hard and I have searched for a spot in like an hour when visiting my family. They build a lot of housing but no parking spaces for residents. Sometimes if you're lucky they'll build like 1 parking space per 20 residents when in reality 19 of these residents have a car. I know personally some areas close to my mother where they have taken areas for parking and built housing there making the actual parking spaces go negative.

Fine if you want to get rid of petrol/diesel but there are alternatives and you don't have to make things shitty for people with electric cars as well.

I think people will start moving from Stockholm because who wants to live in a city where housing is 3-4 times the national avg, people being shot all the time and even blown up when in bed in your own home. Then the politicians responsible cares more about making it more expensive for you to go to work which all seems more meaningless since you pay so much in taxes that goes to immigration and people not contributing to society.

Productive will move to the country side where they can safely drive to work and work less because working hard is just not worth it in Sweden.

The article indicates there will be some exceptions:

> While it is primarily intended to allow for only fully electric cars, bigger vans with plug-in hybrid engines will also be allowed, and exceptions will be made for ambulances and police cars, as well as cars in which the driver or passenger has a documented disability

So I guess the imported soy lattes of those who made the rule changes are going to have a price increase due to delivery companies that need to upgrade their fleet. ;D

Amazon Logistics is in the process of going fully electric, as are others. The supply of EV and hybrid vans is there, the demand as well as soon as tze existing fleets are going to be replaced as usual.

You obviously don't know Sweden because Amazon is a very small player that just entered the market there and I don't think they make their own deliveries but rather uses already established delivery companies.

Belive me, I know the long story of Amazon and Scandinavia quite well. I took it more general, and used Amazon as proof that last mile deliveries are perfectly possible with EV vans.

I believe you and I think most last mile deliveries already is done with EV vans in Stockholm so maybe that is less of an issue, my answer was mostly a joke anyway.

I have nothing against EVs, in fact the opposite. But it's not the EVs that is the main issue with Stockholm. It's that you don't feel safe travelling in the public transport anymore and they are doing basically nothing to combat it.

The party is hardly "radical" by any standard means of measure, and there is not a single indicator that population growth in Stockholm will come to a halt. You're merely making the mistake of assuming that others are like you.

What standard means of measure are you referring to exactly?

I guess time will tell, but if you look at statistics many country side smaller cities are growing when in the past they were shrinking for a really long time. The wind is vänding.

Why can carpenters not drive electric vehicles?

Usually because they are too small but that will also force everyone to buy new cars which isn't exactly ideal for the climate or the economy of these people affected. Cars in Sweden already cost like the double amount of a car in the US.

> Usually because they are too small

Delivery vehicles are usually larger than a carpenter's, and are already electrifying most places.

> that will also force everyone to buy new cars

"Everyone" meaning, laborers servicing that area? Strange definition of "everyone".

I agree with you.

It is an emotional decision. Politics is all about emotionalism. Now everybody that like or work there will need to have buy a te$la or pole$tar.

I live quite far from Stockholm and commute there by train. My office is just outside of the zone.

Most people I know at work own a car, but no one drives to work. Why would they?

Seems like people driving in downtown Stockholm are the kind of people that can afford EVs anyway. (Of course, disabled people etc. But they are also covered by the new rules.)

What could possibly be more rational than designing cities for people, rather than cars, and pushing society away from petrol cars?

It's complicated for non-millionaries follow some rules. Not everybody can afford to have EV and some people depend of a car to carry tools to go to work.

Yes, some people do. Way fewer than who actually use cars, though. It's crazy how much of city real estate that oftentimes get dedicated to cars being driven or parked.

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